Finishing the thought, I return to Ida Auken: It's wonderfully progressive for corporations to own every element of your life, and for you to just pay to access their corporate property.
I doubt I will push this one across the goal line but will try.
Progressives were simpler for me to understand once I realized that, for them, moral superiority trumps logic.
"I am a good person" the progressive thinks to himself. "And all good persons think the same way I do. So, anyone who disagrees with me is not a good person."
I've wanted to get a bunch of stickers made saying "...Except for those damned Republicans. I REALLY hate them!". Then I could wander around my neighborhood making the virtue signals accurate.
We had a guy -- one lonely person -- come hold up a Trump sign on a street corner in Wokeville, back before the election, and I stopped by to talk to him. People were writhing and howling, like Linda Blair in The Exorcist. A group of teenaged boys ran up to scream, actual quote, "WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE," over and over again, while the gathered adults congratulated them for being so "brave."
"I am a good person" the progressive thinks to himself. "And all good persons think the same way I do. So, anyone who disagrees with me is not a good person."
I think that's kind of universal, not limited to progressives.
I have not found that to be the case. I can tie a conservative up in knots with logic. A liberal can just dismiss me with "It is not the right thing to do."
Chris, I welcome your thoughts as to a few theories:
It says here that progressive politics and "woke" are ops. Or at least co-opted into I-C plans.
Just as with Jonestown. Jim Jones reached out to the disaffected.
There is a reason why the CIA put out that comical Woke Recruitment video.
They run all the social media giants. Twitter greatly distorts the Woke. Astroturf. Then it takes hold in academia. (that one is weird).
I believe that The Intercept, and Mother Jones, and TYT are now full on psy ops.
Same way that the Biden Admin. reaches out to Tik Tok influencers to coach them up on Ukraine "right think".
These guys are just really good at mind control. And the tell is that they accuse Russia of doing this through Facebook with the election of 2016. Projection.
These guys get way out in front...they've been working with Nazis in Ukraine going back to the '50's.
When they actually get their wars, they fail like crazy. But munitions manufacturers make a ton of money.
It's possible that I only have one hammer, (it's The Blob!), and thus all looks like a nail.
I just typed a long response, and my computer ate it. And I'm willing to blame the IC for that, 'cause it was a lot of typing.
I don't think woke culture is an op. I think it's a broken culture, adrift and valueless, with cultural roots that predate the existence of the modern intelligence community by many decades. But I don't think there's much doubt that there's a national security state that participates in the cultural rot and some degree of the narrative shaping, as the madness of the Steele Dossier showed us. And there doesn't seem to be much question that social media companies all have their version of Room 641A, recording and parsing.
And if you were trying to convince people that woke culture is an op, what would you do differently than the Disinformation Governance Board?
It would be easier if it were an op -- you could find the room where the bosses are and shut it down. The distributed madness of a sick culture is much harder.
(Is "TYT" the Young Turks, Cenk Uygur & Co.? Those freaks are just freaks.)
Okay. First of all. I enjoy speaking with you more than most. You are different enough in perspective yet clearly honest in output, so that itself is manna from heaven for a person like me.
Enough flattery!
Remember when Facebook "whistleblower" Frances Haugen came to Congress to complain about the danger of social media and her big recommendation was... to increase I-C surveillance for national security?
excuse me....hahahahahahahahahahahhha
ahem. excuse me again.
hahahahahahahahahahaa...
alright.
Also, remember how Facebook was launched on the (alleged) ashes of a DARPA surveillance program, Lifelog.
Now, let's go back to Jonestown. When the I-C under Nixon wished to rein in the Black Power movement, etc. What do they do when they want to coup other countries? They go in, and they find rifts/divisions. That goes back way before "woke".
I don't think they created woke. I think they saw which way the wind was blowing and made a calculation. And with their Big Tech platforms all hand in glove...they exploit.
That's all they do. Is fuck with people. For some end, usually to reward the munitions guys, or Global Capital.
The Disinformation Board is just another attempt to control Big Tech more than they can. It's Frances Haugen 2.0.
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Forget TYT, bad example. I don't watch them, they are freaks. But are they are hand in glove with the Faux mainstream-y Krystal Ball and Kyle Kulinski, who are Controlled Opposition Woke. Cosplaying as Lefty Outsiders.
I am now persuaded that The Intercept was founded to buy off Greenwald and Poitras and get ownership of the Snowden docs.
#2: I'm sorry. You are probably going typing out another response that will get eaten by your computer, aka, The Blob. that was a joke. I do jokes sometimes.
But on my page I have a three part series on The Intercept, and it culminates with why Ken Klippenstein, "FOIA Expert" at The Intercept, (who also collaborates with Bellingcat, 100% CIA media) doxxed an old Fiorella Isabel DUI for simply stating that Ivermectin was helpful in her native Peru. Papa Klippenstein is a DOD funded scientist (Argonne Laboratory).
There is a reason Ryan Grim (Banality of Evil) smeared Edward Dowd and Dr. Peter McCullough on 40% all cause mortality rise.
The "left" is captured. They are heavily indoctrinated.
All that said. All that said. I am looking to you for honest direction. I want to know what it looks like on your side of the elephant.
I don't mean to make "op" seem like a bad James Bond movie.
It's more like...indoctrination. It's a form of 're-socialization'. It's not organic.
Look how quickly people normalized to COVID fascism.
People will wake up, but they have to overcome the "patriot" angle which Hermann Goering aptly explained:
“Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or fascist dictorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
And even if they do wake up, so what?
What are they going to do? Vote for the other political party?
It’s not Season 3-7 caliber, but it’s better than you’d expect given the seasons bookending the film. Lots of nods to long time fans (many I assume I missed as I checked out in 99).
For evey thesis - truth/morality even science there is an anti thesis. It's not new, just read the book of Ecclesiates as an example. What we are witnessing though is a rate of decline that quite frankly is astonishing. So, one question that will be hard to solve is how to rationally engage irrationality? When people claim men can become women for example where does one start. Bottom line is this, there is no political solution because it is a moral problem. Only turning to the God of the universe, Jesus Christ will there be answers.
When the notion of "progress" is properly understood, you won't be surprised to see it zigzagging... or even going in circles.
Don't just blame the Left, though. Left and Right are reins to go with the omipresent carrots-and-sticks of the State and the Economy. We're hitched to the cart and will pull whichever way they please: that is "progress".
This is a fascinating piece. You shined a light onto a topic I've puzzled about but never saw very clearly. For instance, I'd never heard about early 20th century progressive policies about children and how that contrasts with 21st century progressive policies about children. It seems like things are going in circles.
In addition to policing, California's "progressive" policies in the area of housing may be a rich vein. It seems like opposing evil, greedy real estate developers was the progressive norm in the 20th Century. But today's progressive legislature has empowered people who develop real estate, especially in formerly single family residential areas. Same thing in Minneapolis, Minnesota. It used to be Republicans who wanted more people, land development, nuclear power and environmental degradation. Now it's progressives? I'm not sure anymore.
Progressivism seems to be characterized by rabid enthusiasm for whatever apparently novel idea they think will solve all the world's problems. Apparently novel because as you note: short memories, they don't remember what they themselves were doing or saying yesterday. Once possessed by some shiny new theory, they proceed to implement it, no matter the cost. Like human paperclip maximizers.
Underlying the enthusiasm for that "novel" idea is the utter certainty that of course one can solve all the world's problems. Cures for everything! This conviction is very naive and very smug. (Of course we can eliminate a virus. Of course we can end highway deaths. Of course we can fix the mentally ill. Etc. Etc. Etc.)
Change the meaning of words, slogans, expressions.
And our own Napoleon the Pig, (hint: it's our unelected and unchecked governance that continues no matter which color jersey tribe we "elect") will keep the sheep bleating.
What passes for “progressive” in the last 40 plus years not anything useful to Americans. The tepid fealty the so-called liberal pays in lip service to “workers” is insulting to the intelligence. Instead of true reform, the so-called liberal (blue Republican) offers bromides and branding. By focusing on the cheap theatrics of the culture wars, that neither side intends to win, they can then distract their constituents. The fact that neither side does anything about anything doesn’t matter; jobs, the economy, a real wage, education, endless wars (Ukraine is the new Afghanistan, complete with Israel selling arms to Nazis), is lost on their base, looking for the outrage du jour. Whether it’s acknowledging the “sexuality” of a child who just last week believed in the Easter Bunny, or the (fraud) Squad sending nice tweets, the so called liberal will look at these stupid laws and say it’s progress because they said so on CNN. Both sides of the uni-party do this, Fox as well. It’s what a liar does talking out of both sides of his mouth.
Yes, progressivism presents an opportunity for people who grew up with a chip on their shoulders resenting authority figures (Where’s my daddy?) to push back. Honestly, why is the primary parent of these troubled kids always a single, unattractive mother covered in tattoos and facial piercings? It’s attention getting behavior. Sad!
Will discuss this tomorrow. Depends on what "conservatism" is, but I think (for example) that Glenn Greenwald is a consistent liberal and Rand Paul is a consistent conservative. "Conservative" is a hard word to pin down, right now -- maybe harder than "progressive," which has become functionally meaningless. More later.
Like I told a co-worker, after I told her there is a solution to global resource pressure a radical deliberate reduction in global population (she doesn't flinch when I say shit like that, replied, so like make some viruses?), what has government done about the opioid crisis? Apparently Minnesota is getting $300 million from the opioid settlement. Which like the tobacco settlement before it, it will go to a lot of non-profit progressives to make flyers and newsletters and tv spots and "outreach" plans, and like the tobacco settlement before that more people will somehow be on opioids after the money runs out.
And then rhetoric is about justifying why you have the power and demonstrating the good you're trying to do. Rhetoric has degraded to the point where the politicians don't even have to lie anymore, because what they say is so ambiguous and meaningless that you can't pin them down.
Nothing tells you that the left has lost the ethical high ground more than the change in their attitudes regarding big corporations. In the 70s and 80s, big business was the enemy of democrats. Environmentalism was about pollution, not about global warming. It's interesting that our enemies hijacked environmentalism and perverted it, taking the ethical core against corporations abusing the earth for profit out of the conversation: https://www.corbettreport.com/interview-1117-jim-steele-on-how-bad-global-warming-science-hurts-the-environmental-movement/
Finishing the thought, I return to Ida Auken: It's wonderfully progressive for corporations to own every element of your life, and for you to just pay to access their corporate property.
https://chrisbray.substack.com/p/empowered-by-feudalism
Is this why the tech company that I work for requires the jab if I want to enter one of their buildings?
Which is why the most psychotic leftists are always well paid to represent socialism.
We're basically back to Plantation Politics vs Free Labor.
The Party in Power has an answer to Lincoln's question of Half Free, Half Slave:
The answer is all slave.
Frankly if we take it we deserve it.
I doubt I will push this one across the goal line but will try.
Progressives were simpler for me to understand once I realized that, for them, moral superiority trumps logic.
"I am a good person" the progressive thinks to himself. "And all good persons think the same way I do. So, anyone who disagrees with me is not a good person."
Who needs principles when you "think" like that?
Lawn signs. It's the lawn signs. "Hate Has No Home Here." The whole performance is pure virtue-signaling.
I've wanted to get a bunch of stickers made saying "...Except for those damned Republicans. I REALLY hate them!". Then I could wander around my neighborhood making the virtue signals accurate.
Hate has no home here YOU FUCKING NAZI
We had a guy -- one lonely person -- come hold up a Trump sign on a street corner in Wokeville, back before the election, and I stopped by to talk to him. People were writhing and howling, like Linda Blair in The Exorcist. A group of teenaged boys ran up to scream, actual quote, "WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE," over and over again, while the gathered adults congratulated them for being so "brave."
They weren't very tolerant either, though, if you paid close attention.
lemmings… or bots, given their boolean “thinking”
"I am a good person" the progressive thinks to himself. "And all good persons think the same way I do. So, anyone who disagrees with me is not a good person."
I think that's kind of universal, not limited to progressives.
I have not found that to be the case. I can tie a conservative up in knots with logic. A liberal can just dismiss me with "It is not the right thing to do."
Chris, I welcome your thoughts as to a few theories:
It says here that progressive politics and "woke" are ops. Or at least co-opted into I-C plans.
Just as with Jonestown. Jim Jones reached out to the disaffected.
There is a reason why the CIA put out that comical Woke Recruitment video.
They run all the social media giants. Twitter greatly distorts the Woke. Astroturf. Then it takes hold in academia. (that one is weird).
I believe that The Intercept, and Mother Jones, and TYT are now full on psy ops.
Same way that the Biden Admin. reaches out to Tik Tok influencers to coach them up on Ukraine "right think".
These guys are just really good at mind control. And the tell is that they accuse Russia of doing this through Facebook with the election of 2016. Projection.
These guys get way out in front...they've been working with Nazis in Ukraine going back to the '50's.
When they actually get their wars, they fail like crazy. But munitions manufacturers make a ton of money.
It's possible that I only have one hammer, (it's The Blob!), and thus all looks like a nail.
Talk me down off the ledge.
edit to add: see also, Bread Tube
I just typed a long response, and my computer ate it. And I'm willing to blame the IC for that, 'cause it was a lot of typing.
I don't think woke culture is an op. I think it's a broken culture, adrift and valueless, with cultural roots that predate the existence of the modern intelligence community by many decades. But I don't think there's much doubt that there's a national security state that participates in the cultural rot and some degree of the narrative shaping, as the madness of the Steele Dossier showed us. And there doesn't seem to be much question that social media companies all have their version of Room 641A, recording and parsing.
And if you were trying to convince people that woke culture is an op, what would you do differently than the Disinformation Governance Board?
It would be easier if it were an op -- you could find the room where the bosses are and shut it down. The distributed madness of a sick culture is much harder.
(Is "TYT" the Young Turks, Cenk Uygur & Co.? Those freaks are just freaks.)
Thank you for your reply, Chris!
Okay. First of all. I enjoy speaking with you more than most. You are different enough in perspective yet clearly honest in output, so that itself is manna from heaven for a person like me.
Enough flattery!
Remember when Facebook "whistleblower" Frances Haugen came to Congress to complain about the danger of social media and her big recommendation was... to increase I-C surveillance for national security?
excuse me....hahahahahahahahahahahhha
ahem. excuse me again.
hahahahahahahahahahaa...
alright.
Also, remember how Facebook was launched on the (alleged) ashes of a DARPA surveillance program, Lifelog.
https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/04/investigative-reports/the-military-origins-of-facebook/
Now, let's go back to Jonestown. When the I-C under Nixon wished to rein in the Black Power movement, etc. What do they do when they want to coup other countries? They go in, and they find rifts/divisions. That goes back way before "woke".
I don't think they created woke. I think they saw which way the wind was blowing and made a calculation. And with their Big Tech platforms all hand in glove...they exploit.
That's all they do. Is fuck with people. For some end, usually to reward the munitions guys, or Global Capital.
The Disinformation Board is just another attempt to control Big Tech more than they can. It's Frances Haugen 2.0.
----
Forget TYT, bad example. I don't watch them, they are freaks. But are they are hand in glove with the Faux mainstream-y Krystal Ball and Kyle Kulinski, who are Controlled Opposition Woke. Cosplaying as Lefty Outsiders.
I am now persuaded that The Intercept was founded to buy off Greenwald and Poitras and get ownership of the Snowden docs.
#2: I'm sorry. You are probably going typing out another response that will get eaten by your computer, aka, The Blob. that was a joke. I do jokes sometimes.
But on my page I have a three part series on The Intercept, and it culminates with why Ken Klippenstein, "FOIA Expert" at The Intercept, (who also collaborates with Bellingcat, 100% CIA media) doxxed an old Fiorella Isabel DUI for simply stating that Ivermectin was helpful in her native Peru. Papa Klippenstein is a DOD funded scientist (Argonne Laboratory).
There is a reason Ryan Grim (Banality of Evil) smeared Edward Dowd and Dr. Peter McCullough on 40% all cause mortality rise.
The "left" is captured. They are heavily indoctrinated.
All that said. All that said. I am looking to you for honest direction. I want to know what it looks like on your side of the elephant.
I don't mean to make "op" seem like a bad James Bond movie.
It's more like...indoctrination. It's a form of 're-socialization'. It's not organic.
Look how quickly people normalized to COVID fascism.
That's an op. That is...an OP.
In a remarkable coincidence, Emerald Robinson posted this while I was typing this comment:
https://emeralddb3.substack.com/p/twitter-globalist-political-influence?s=r
"When they actually get their wars, they fail like crazy. But munitions manufacturers make a ton of money."
In cases where the second sentence is true, 'failure' is often an acceptable outcome.
In Afghanistan the second sentence was true for decades.
It's possible that the 'failure' could not be contained because the mind control wore off.
Children dying in the same war that one of their parents died in will wake up *some* folks.
The longer the failure goes on, the better it is.
People will wake up, but they have to overcome the "patriot" angle which Hermann Goering aptly explained:
“Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or fascist dictorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
And even if they do wake up, so what?
What are they going to do? Vote for the other political party?
Keep thinking of The Simpsons movie the past 2 years, when the churchgoers and the drunks swap religions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPiQiToZn6s&t=12s
Never saw that -- I may have to fix this.
It’s not Season 3-7 caliber, but it’s better than you’d expect given the seasons bookending the film. Lots of nods to long time fans (many I assume I missed as I checked out in 99).
I probably spoiled the best scene.
For evey thesis - truth/morality even science there is an anti thesis. It's not new, just read the book of Ecclesiates as an example. What we are witnessing though is a rate of decline that quite frankly is astonishing. So, one question that will be hard to solve is how to rationally engage irrationality? When people claim men can become women for example where does one start. Bottom line is this, there is no political solution because it is a moral problem. Only turning to the God of the universe, Jesus Christ will there be answers.
"So, one question that will be hard to solve is how to rationally engage irrationality?"
That's the one.
Create an equally irrational counterargument, and then much like a double negative it leads back to rationality.
That was a joke.
::long pause::
I think.
::longer pause::
Should we try it?
"how to rationally engage irrationality."
Just inside maximum range.
You're kidding of course 'how to rationally engage irrationality' so of course so am I...
When the notion of "progress" is properly understood, you won't be surprised to see it zigzagging... or even going in circles.
Don't just blame the Left, though. Left and Right are reins to go with the omipresent carrots-and-sticks of the State and the Economy. We're hitched to the cart and will pull whichever way they please: that is "progress".
Great video for your essay.
This is a fascinating piece. You shined a light onto a topic I've puzzled about but never saw very clearly. For instance, I'd never heard about early 20th century progressive policies about children and how that contrasts with 21st century progressive policies about children. It seems like things are going in circles.
In addition to policing, California's "progressive" policies in the area of housing may be a rich vein. It seems like opposing evil, greedy real estate developers was the progressive norm in the 20th Century. But today's progressive legislature has empowered people who develop real estate, especially in formerly single family residential areas. Same thing in Minneapolis, Minnesota. It used to be Republicans who wanted more people, land development, nuclear power and environmental degradation. Now it's progressives? I'm not sure anymore.
Progressivism seems to be characterized by rabid enthusiasm for whatever apparently novel idea they think will solve all the world's problems. Apparently novel because as you note: short memories, they don't remember what they themselves were doing or saying yesterday. Once possessed by some shiny new theory, they proceed to implement it, no matter the cost. Like human paperclip maximizers.
“I support the new thing!”
And I'm against all those old things!
Except relentless persuit of communism. They never get tired of that.
And overlying all, their core belief, the very essence of their belief system, an absolute, utter certainty that they are right. This time.
"The best lack all conviction/the worst are full of passionate intensity...."
Then they're not the Best.
Underlying the enthusiasm for that "novel" idea is the utter certainty that of course one can solve all the world's problems. Cures for everything! This conviction is very naive and very smug. (Of course we can eliminate a virus. Of course we can end highway deaths. Of course we can fix the mentally ill. Etc. Etc. Etc.)
Just Animal Farm things.
Change the meaning of words, slogans, expressions.
And our own Napoleon the Pig, (hint: it's our unelected and unchecked governance that continues no matter which color jersey tribe we "elect") will keep the sheep bleating.
What passes for “progressive” in the last 40 plus years not anything useful to Americans. The tepid fealty the so-called liberal pays in lip service to “workers” is insulting to the intelligence. Instead of true reform, the so-called liberal (blue Republican) offers bromides and branding. By focusing on the cheap theatrics of the culture wars, that neither side intends to win, they can then distract their constituents. The fact that neither side does anything about anything doesn’t matter; jobs, the economy, a real wage, education, endless wars (Ukraine is the new Afghanistan, complete with Israel selling arms to Nazis), is lost on their base, looking for the outrage du jour. Whether it’s acknowledging the “sexuality” of a child who just last week believed in the Easter Bunny, or the (fraud) Squad sending nice tweets, the so called liberal will look at these stupid laws and say it’s progress because they said so on CNN. Both sides of the uni-party do this, Fox as well. It’s what a liar does talking out of both sides of his mouth.
/\ Gets it.
Yes, progressivism presents an opportunity for people who grew up with a chip on their shoulders resenting authority figures (Where’s my daddy?) to push back. Honestly, why is the primary parent of these troubled kids always a single, unattractive mother covered in tattoos and facial piercings? It’s attention getting behavior. Sad!
A similar case could be made for conservatism. It's all about owning the libs.
Will discuss this tomorrow. Depends on what "conservatism" is, but I think (for example) that Glenn Greenwald is a consistent liberal and Rand Paul is a consistent conservative. "Conservative" is a hard word to pin down, right now -- maybe harder than "progressive," which has become functionally meaningless. More later.
What are you, some kinda dialectician?
Them Food & Beverage people think they have all the answers, huh?
Like I told a co-worker, after I told her there is a solution to global resource pressure a radical deliberate reduction in global population (she doesn't flinch when I say shit like that, replied, so like make some viruses?), what has government done about the opioid crisis? Apparently Minnesota is getting $300 million from the opioid settlement. Which like the tobacco settlement before it, it will go to a lot of non-profit progressives to make flyers and newsletters and tv spots and "outreach" plans, and like the tobacco settlement before that more people will somehow be on opioids after the money runs out.
What’s the principle?
The principle is power.
Politics is power and that's all.
Mind you these sort of people were too much for even Stalin and he was a dedicated Communist.
And then rhetoric is about justifying why you have the power and demonstrating the good you're trying to do. Rhetoric has degraded to the point where the politicians don't even have to lie anymore, because what they say is so ambiguous and meaningless that you can't pin them down.
2020 riots and defund the police.
2022 "Law and Order"- more police and be more aggressive.
It's Power playing a game.
As long as we play we'll keep bouncing around like ping pong balls until we're dead.
The end.
Or...perchance...we get new elites.
We shall not talk, blog, vote, tweet, bleat our way to survival or sanity.
Cheers.
Nothing tells you that the left has lost the ethical high ground more than the change in their attitudes regarding big corporations. In the 70s and 80s, big business was the enemy of democrats. Environmentalism was about pollution, not about global warming. It's interesting that our enemies hijacked environmentalism and perverted it, taking the ethical core against corporations abusing the earth for profit out of the conversation: https://www.corbettreport.com/interview-1117-jim-steele-on-how-bad-global-warming-science-hurts-the-environmental-movement/