I don't know what Paul Rouleau heard, but it clearly wasn't what I heard. The government NEVER made its case. Heck, they basically admitted they skirted the law 'because emergency' and then hid behind Cabinet privilege. There NEVER was a threat to national security. It was chaotic sure but the nation was never under any kind of existential danger. FinTrac said there was no foreign influence, the RCMP said there was no threat, as did Ottawa police. CSIS for its part pulled a 'there was no threat but a threat according to the minutiae of our protocols' type of opinion. On the balance though, no threat.
It was a foolish conclusion but I still have to digest it. It feels like Rouleau was throwing his masters a lifeline. He 'reluctantly' arrived at his conclusion is not a ringing endorsement. And in true non-committal wishy-washy Canadian fashion, he declared it was 'drastic' but not 'dictatorial'. Rouleau will probably go down as a bit of a fool down the road. Remember, he's a liberal activist judge appointed by Justin Trudeau so we shouldn't be too surprised by his conclusion.
Except for the lying, hiding behind cabinet privilege, trampling on protestors by police on horses, and frozen bank accounts.
How idiotic a society to believe this settles it? In fact, Rouleau just made Canada worse off than it was. Our Covid response would come with a price as we knew but I didn't think it was going to be crushing dissent and making it permanent. Rouleau essentially said to future governments it's ok to unleash the dogs of war against people who disagree with the government. And if your Prime Minister happens to be a thin-skinned, despotic brat, good luck because that mofo is gonna use the levers of power to soothe his ego. Right, Justin? Oh, by the way. A month ago Ottawa police arrested a 16-year-old for carrying a Canadian flag. Rules are rules, brah. You can't be waving a Confederate flag like that lest you offend the poor civil servants in Ottawa.
The Commission has no teeth. The battle will continue in the courts. We can't accept this ruling. We can't let this be a precedent. Rouleau did suggest amending the Emergencies Act and that it will be up to the courts (ha, ha) to determine the legality of what the government did. He didn't sound convincing but he did seem to buy into the government's BS 'it was dangerous' narrative.
The people who support this, don't you worry. This monstrous tail will come back and lash back at you. You can't call yourself a 'free and democratic' country and crush dissent - even those you considered to be 'chaotic and messy'.
If i'm Conservative leader Poilievre, I make a stink about this and promise to make the EA threshold so high, clowns like Justin and his clown show cabinet can't exploit it.
We paid a steep price, eh Canada?
Bono once said, 'the world needs more Canada'.
Nope U2 boy. Canada is now a cautionary tale on how to protect the democracies of the West.
It’s the people who were completely convinced that there was a DEADLY, DANGEROUS PANDEMIC!! And that our only way out is MANDATORY VACCINATION OF EVERYONE!! They cannot admit their gullibility and that THEY were wrong and those awful, scary truckers were right. Those that cannot see the truth now are lost and want #TrudeauTheTyrant to stay in power to “protect” them.
Thursday was truly the saddest day. This is not the land of my birth.
It was. Rouleau left a rogue government off the hook. It's asinine because they simply looked foolish on the stand.
I'm reading bits and pieces of his report. It's worse than I wanted to believe. He essentially is showing he came in with bias and stuck with it as we all worried he would being a liberal judge.
See. It's simple as we've all learned. If you're liberal/democrat you support mandates and Ukraine and the current thing. Very few on that side question the entire narrative and the zeitgeist to which this situation arose.
In Canada, we have a concept called 'judicial notice' in the courts. That is, a judge will take notice of what the government says and will defer to its stance without requiring the need for outside evidence.
He already reveals 'prior bias' in his text while reinforcing government lies. Yes, Justin Trudeau perjured himself on the stand. For example, he said he never called truckers names. The Internet is filled with receipts yet somehow this eluded Rouleau. Equally troubling when he bizarrely claimed kids were being used as human shields when he dramatically pumped up the non-existent violence on the ground. In Canada, when there's a liberal judge who has taken judicial notice, the Prime Minister (a civil servant) can go up there and lie his ass off because 'l'etat c'est moi.' And this is precisely how this immensely flawed, egotistical and despotic PM acts. Rouleau swallowed it all. He swallowed Lametti's nonsense. He swallowed Freeland's incoherence. He swallowed disinformation.
So what's happened here is we've hit a wall. People have been denied their right to present EVIDENCE to the courts because judges don't believe there exists contrary evidence to what the government (and media for that matter) presents. The 'vaccines' are 'safe and effective' period. La, la, la, la I can't hear you. /points to Judicial Notice sign on the school bus. As long as judges refuse to see the other side of the argument, this madness continues. And the price will keep getting higher.
We're at a stand still and we can't progress forward.
Rouleau missed a massive chance to make a true difference here.
He could have sent the message that even if we accept the convoy was aggressive in nature, you can't use martial law to crush it because we are a FREE AND OPEN PLURALIST DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY.
Instead, his foolish ruling sets a precedent - albeit not a binding or legal one - for future governments to act as 'drastically' (I still say it was despotic based on what the government said on the stand-alone. They basically ADMITTED they broke the law to ram this through) should anyone or groups dissent against the government.
It's the Canadian fetish for 'rules are rules' on steroids. Rouleau will look like the partisan hack and fools he down the road as I can't possibly see this age well in the future.
So yes. A dark day. Rouleau doesn't believe democracy was damaged. I don't know what pack of mushrooms he smokes but I completely disagree. Vehemently.
And we must fight harder than eve to remedy it. Or else we leave future generations with a weaker country.
So he issues a clean opinion then he says this: "I do not come to this conclusion easily, as I do not consider the factual basis for it to be overwhelming," he said in statements he gave after his report was made public. “Reasonable and informed people could reach a different conclusion than the one I have arrived at."
Huh? Soooo the facts didn’t really support it but I did it anyway and I am neither reasonable nor informed?
Hang in there: same to your family. Don't give up: them, as well. Get back to us when you can. Do include the Canadians in your prayers. I've spent much time up there over the decades, from St. John's, Newfoundland, to Vancouver and most every point of importance in between. They talk a little funny, but I'm from Texas and we're still struggling with English, so what do I know. Sad to see it becoming a totalitarian state, but to the Canadians: don't give up, ever! You have a great history and well worth defending.
"we made mistakes, best available knowledge at the time, it was an emergency, we were doing the best we could...". BS. I want accountability. but i probably won't see it. sigh
Inexplicable loss of public trust in governing institutions across Western world over past decade or two not only not stopping but somehow accelerating, finds other report.
Even people who make mistakes, are held accountable, in some way, shape, or form. But, when their Intent is malicious, and I think we have plenty of evidence to prove that, then, the punishment should be severe. Maybe someday, we'll see Justice? In whatever form that takes.
Prayers to you and your family, Chris. This ruling is horrific and unimaginable -- is there no appeal option left for Canada's citizens?
And here, just wait until US president potato-head and his minions sign off on the WHO treaty to rule the entire damn world next week, on Wednesday, I believe. Mark your calendar!
Since potato-head hasn't declared the fake pandemic over yet, the treaty signing ostensibly sets up the WHO to immediately flex their new powers and decide for everyone in the US -- and the other 193 countries -- exactly what health care every single person needs.
Like, we ALL need several shots of outdated gene therapy to keep the world safe, I'm sure.
And that will also keep the "rulers'" pockets filled with filthy lucre.
I thought we were a sovereign nation?!
I'm furious over ALL of this. The DC tyrants and the WHO can kiss my ass.
As a Canadian, I have to say I'm not really surprised at the result. More than anything, the convoy revealed a massive class divide; with the upper progressive classes fully on board with the govt, and the working classes still retaining some of the older notion of freedom. One of the comforts I have is remembering that as bad as I thought I sometimes had it during the last 3 years, many others have had it worse, including, as a poster previously noted, our American neighbours who marched off to the Iraq war. As well, during my 52 years I've seen my country become more and more leftist; this is the logical end of a people that revere and submit to their institutions as much as Canadians do. At this point the only political hope I have for Canada is the growing separatist movement in the West, coupled with external pressures from the collapsing US empire.
Unfortunately and wishing you well, and wishing you sovereignty the American Empire 🇺🇸 is not collapsing.
It is consolidating and
Re-industrializing prior to necessary , er, measures.
To wit; the reshoring of industry to America which is already a Tidal wave will build up our capacity prior to ah, er certain measures. Yes. Which if sane will be directed to secure supply chains in the “Global South” which has helpfully made it easier by choosing Russia 🇷🇺 and China who cannot project power past their near abroad, we with a 🇺🇸 Fleet can. If sane.
If not sane it will be war in Europe with the objectives of eliminating our foes in Moscow and Beijing.
The sane faction with supply chains secure will then seek to establish American dominance in space. That’s why we need resources and industry.
I am literally sitting next to Pierre Poilievre in a Calgary restaurant as I write. Has he said anything about this whitewa...oops,report...this week? Shall I tap him on the shoulder for a response?
Oof. In a few years, we're gonna start all this navel-gazing nonsense over like we did for Japanese and Italian Canadians sent to internment camps during WWII, what we did to First Nations and other Canadians who suffered at the hands of the state.
Mistakes were made. There will be tearful apologies. Vague musings about 'never again'. Some hugs. A call for a nation to heal.
All for something that could and should have been EASILY avoidable.
Remember, Justin did all this - divide the country and use the force of the state - not for public health but to protect his flailing power. It's about as cynical as you can get.
Here's a thought... if Canadians had, instead, applied a citizens arrest to the corrupt politicians and pulverised any police who interferred, Canada would be a free nation today. You get the freedom you fight for. No people in history ever achieved freedom with "non-violent peaceful protest'. That carefully cultivated piece of propaganda was put about by the globalists and then validated by the globalist's own king propagandist, Hollywood.
Hilariously, academia, our very own self-proclaimed intelligentsia, swallowed that line whole, as they did the mRNA fraud. It is some comfort to know that the intelligentsia will not long be around to pollute logic and evidence when the sane segment of humanity shakes itself out of its stupor and joins the surviving miitary in ridding humanity of the tyrants.
Appalling. I know.
I don't know what Paul Rouleau heard, but it clearly wasn't what I heard. The government NEVER made its case. Heck, they basically admitted they skirted the law 'because emergency' and then hid behind Cabinet privilege. There NEVER was a threat to national security. It was chaotic sure but the nation was never under any kind of existential danger. FinTrac said there was no foreign influence, the RCMP said there was no threat, as did Ottawa police. CSIS for its part pulled a 'there was no threat but a threat according to the minutiae of our protocols' type of opinion. On the balance though, no threat.
It was a foolish conclusion but I still have to digest it. It feels like Rouleau was throwing his masters a lifeline. He 'reluctantly' arrived at his conclusion is not a ringing endorsement. And in true non-committal wishy-washy Canadian fashion, he declared it was 'drastic' but not 'dictatorial'. Rouleau will probably go down as a bit of a fool down the road. Remember, he's a liberal activist judge appointed by Justin Trudeau so we shouldn't be too surprised by his conclusion.
Except for the lying, hiding behind cabinet privilege, trampling on protestors by police on horses, and frozen bank accounts.
How idiotic a society to believe this settles it? In fact, Rouleau just made Canada worse off than it was. Our Covid response would come with a price as we knew but I didn't think it was going to be crushing dissent and making it permanent. Rouleau essentially said to future governments it's ok to unleash the dogs of war against people who disagree with the government. And if your Prime Minister happens to be a thin-skinned, despotic brat, good luck because that mofo is gonna use the levers of power to soothe his ego. Right, Justin? Oh, by the way. A month ago Ottawa police arrested a 16-year-old for carrying a Canadian flag. Rules are rules, brah. You can't be waving a Confederate flag like that lest you offend the poor civil servants in Ottawa.
The Commission has no teeth. The battle will continue in the courts. We can't accept this ruling. We can't let this be a precedent. Rouleau did suggest amending the Emergencies Act and that it will be up to the courts (ha, ha) to determine the legality of what the government did. He didn't sound convincing but he did seem to buy into the government's BS 'it was dangerous' narrative.
The people who support this, don't you worry. This monstrous tail will come back and lash back at you. You can't call yourself a 'free and democratic' country and crush dissent - even those you considered to be 'chaotic and messy'.
If i'm Conservative leader Poilievre, I make a stink about this and promise to make the EA threshold so high, clowns like Justin and his clown show cabinet can't exploit it.
We paid a steep price, eh Canada?
Bono once said, 'the world needs more Canada'.
Nope U2 boy. Canada is now a cautionary tale on how to protect the democracies of the West.
Agreed. Canada is a cautionary tale of what the acid of liberalism can do to a society within a couple of generations.
Vote harder
If the Nazis had won the war they would have issued a report justifying the Holocaust.
It was fun.
But our nation is a 3rd world one party state.
The whole thing ended up being a banana-republic farce.
I'd like to meet the person who listened to Mendocino, Lametti, Anand, Blair, Omar, Freeland and Justin and said, 'Yup. Sounds legit'.
All I kept hearing was the intro to 'Curb your enthusiasm' each time they opened their mouths.
It’s the people who were completely convinced that there was a DEADLY, DANGEROUS PANDEMIC!! And that our only way out is MANDATORY VACCINATION OF EVERYONE!! They cannot admit their gullibility and that THEY were wrong and those awful, scary truckers were right. Those that cannot see the truth now are lost and want #TrudeauTheTyrant to stay in power to “protect” them.
Thursday was truly the saddest day. This is not the land of my birth.
It was. Rouleau left a rogue government off the hook. It's asinine because they simply looked foolish on the stand.
I'm reading bits and pieces of his report. It's worse than I wanted to believe. He essentially is showing he came in with bias and stuck with it as we all worried he would being a liberal judge.
See. It's simple as we've all learned. If you're liberal/democrat you support mandates and Ukraine and the current thing. Very few on that side question the entire narrative and the zeitgeist to which this situation arose.
In Canada, we have a concept called 'judicial notice' in the courts. That is, a judge will take notice of what the government says and will defer to its stance without requiring the need for outside evidence.
He already reveals 'prior bias' in his text while reinforcing government lies. Yes, Justin Trudeau perjured himself on the stand. For example, he said he never called truckers names. The Internet is filled with receipts yet somehow this eluded Rouleau. Equally troubling when he bizarrely claimed kids were being used as human shields when he dramatically pumped up the non-existent violence on the ground. In Canada, when there's a liberal judge who has taken judicial notice, the Prime Minister (a civil servant) can go up there and lie his ass off because 'l'etat c'est moi.' And this is precisely how this immensely flawed, egotistical and despotic PM acts. Rouleau swallowed it all. He swallowed Lametti's nonsense. He swallowed Freeland's incoherence. He swallowed disinformation.
So what's happened here is we've hit a wall. People have been denied their right to present EVIDENCE to the courts because judges don't believe there exists contrary evidence to what the government (and media for that matter) presents. The 'vaccines' are 'safe and effective' period. La, la, la, la I can't hear you. /points to Judicial Notice sign on the school bus. As long as judges refuse to see the other side of the argument, this madness continues. And the price will keep getting higher.
We're at a stand still and we can't progress forward.
Rouleau missed a massive chance to make a true difference here.
He could have sent the message that even if we accept the convoy was aggressive in nature, you can't use martial law to crush it because we are a FREE AND OPEN PLURALIST DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY.
Instead, his foolish ruling sets a precedent - albeit not a binding or legal one - for future governments to act as 'drastically' (I still say it was despotic based on what the government said on the stand-alone. They basically ADMITTED they broke the law to ram this through) should anyone or groups dissent against the government.
It's the Canadian fetish for 'rules are rules' on steroids. Rouleau will look like the partisan hack and fools he down the road as I can't possibly see this age well in the future.
So yes. A dark day. Rouleau doesn't believe democracy was damaged. I don't know what pack of mushrooms he smokes but I completely disagree. Vehemently.
And we must fight harder than eve to remedy it. Or else we leave future generations with a weaker country.
Which means we FAILED as citizens.
Instead of UnvaxxedCanadian, how about FreeCanadian or SmartCanadian or SaneCanadian or DecentCanadian?
Unfortunately you are correct.
Silver lining is now we know they can simply switch off access to your money. Is it really yours anymore?
Maybe I'll bury cases of small bottles of whisky in my yard. Great for barter after the gov't unpersons most of us.
So he issues a clean opinion then he says this: "I do not come to this conclusion easily, as I do not consider the factual basis for it to be overwhelming," he said in statements he gave after his report was made public. “Reasonable and informed people could reach a different conclusion than the one I have arrived at."
Huh? Soooo the facts didn’t really support it but I did it anyway and I am neither reasonable nor informed?
Is he saying in code that he was under duress ?
What duress? Self interest?
Good question
Hang in there: same to your family. Don't give up: them, as well. Get back to us when you can. Do include the Canadians in your prayers. I've spent much time up there over the decades, from St. John's, Newfoundland, to Vancouver and most every point of importance in between. They talk a little funny, but I'm from Texas and we're still struggling with English, so what do I know. Sad to see it becoming a totalitarian state, but to the Canadians: don't give up, ever! You have a great history and well worth defending.
Danny Huckabee
"we made mistakes, best available knowledge at the time, it was an emergency, we were doing the best we could...". BS. I want accountability. but i probably won't see it. sigh
Mistakes made, finds report.
Inexplicable loss of public trust in governing institutions across Western world over past decade or two not only not stopping but somehow accelerating, finds other report.
Even people who make mistakes, are held accountable, in some way, shape, or form. But, when their Intent is malicious, and I think we have plenty of evidence to prove that, then, the punishment should be severe. Maybe someday, we'll see Justice? In whatever form that takes.
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Prayers to you and your family, Chris. This ruling is horrific and unimaginable -- is there no appeal option left for Canada's citizens?
And here, just wait until US president potato-head and his minions sign off on the WHO treaty to rule the entire damn world next week, on Wednesday, I believe. Mark your calendar!
Since potato-head hasn't declared the fake pandemic over yet, the treaty signing ostensibly sets up the WHO to immediately flex their new powers and decide for everyone in the US -- and the other 193 countries -- exactly what health care every single person needs.
Like, we ALL need several shots of outdated gene therapy to keep the world safe, I'm sure.
And that will also keep the "rulers'" pockets filled with filthy lucre.
I thought we were a sovereign nation?!
I'm furious over ALL of this. The DC tyrants and the WHO can kiss my ass.
I will not comply.
Read it and weep:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/biden-admin-negotiates-deal-to-give-who-authority-over-us-pandemic-policies_5066631.html
Sovereign are they who decide the exception.
They also decide who’s accountable.
As a Canadian, I have to say I'm not really surprised at the result. More than anything, the convoy revealed a massive class divide; with the upper progressive classes fully on board with the govt, and the working classes still retaining some of the older notion of freedom. One of the comforts I have is remembering that as bad as I thought I sometimes had it during the last 3 years, many others have had it worse, including, as a poster previously noted, our American neighbours who marched off to the Iraq war. As well, during my 52 years I've seen my country become more and more leftist; this is the logical end of a people that revere and submit to their institutions as much as Canadians do. At this point the only political hope I have for Canada is the growing separatist movement in the West, coupled with external pressures from the collapsing US empire.
The class divide is here in the US also.
always,
Unfortunately and wishing you well, and wishing you sovereignty the American Empire 🇺🇸 is not collapsing.
It is consolidating and
Re-industrializing prior to necessary , er, measures.
To wit; the reshoring of industry to America which is already a Tidal wave will build up our capacity prior to ah, er certain measures. Yes. Which if sane will be directed to secure supply chains in the “Global South” which has helpfully made it easier by choosing Russia 🇷🇺 and China who cannot project power past their near abroad, we with a 🇺🇸 Fleet can. If sane.
If not sane it will be war in Europe with the objectives of eliminating our foes in Moscow and Beijing.
The sane faction with supply chains secure will then seek to establish American dominance in space. That’s why we need resources and industry.
Let us hope sane wins out.
I am literally sitting next to Pierre Poilievre in a Calgary restaurant as I write. Has he said anything about this whitewa...oops,report...this week? Shall I tap him on the shoulder for a response?
Yes do it!
He just left. My moment is gone.
But really, what response did they give to the whitewash?
Say hello from a supporter. 🤪
Truth and Reconciliation. There can be no reconciliation without truth.
Those in power forgiving themselves doesn't cut it.
I think it was JFK (?) said "Tyranny always ends in violence."
Oof. In a few years, we're gonna start all this navel-gazing nonsense over like we did for Japanese and Italian Canadians sent to internment camps during WWII, what we did to First Nations and other Canadians who suffered at the hands of the state.
Mistakes were made. There will be tearful apologies. Vague musings about 'never again'. Some hugs. A call for a nation to heal.
All for something that could and should have been EASILY avoidable.
Remember, Justin did all this - divide the country and use the force of the state - not for public health but to protect his flailing power. It's about as cynical as you can get.
And the price is huge.
Yes, and the people will never forgive FDR or ever vote Democrat again because of what happened to the Japanese.
Or the Negro.
Or the Cherokee.
Right?
Tyranny begins in violence too .
I don’t care what they say. I see it for what it is as do many others.
Here's a thought... if Canadians had, instead, applied a citizens arrest to the corrupt politicians and pulverised any police who interferred, Canada would be a free nation today. You get the freedom you fight for. No people in history ever achieved freedom with "non-violent peaceful protest'. That carefully cultivated piece of propaganda was put about by the globalists and then validated by the globalist's own king propagandist, Hollywood.
Hilariously, academia, our very own self-proclaimed intelligentsia, swallowed that line whole, as they did the mRNA fraud. It is some comfort to know that the intelligentsia will not long be around to pollute logic and evidence when the sane segment of humanity shakes itself out of its stupor and joins the surviving miitary in ridding humanity of the tyrants.
No apologies needed. Prayers for you and your family.