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Reader East of Albuquerque's avatar

Sadly, I have many old friends and relatives who read this NYT sh*t and believe it's chocolate fudge. Some are still taking covid "vaccine" boosters, too. Thanks for reminding me I'm not the only one who thinks they're all mad.

Chris Bray's avatar

It's certainly something that visually resembles chocolate fudge

Freedom Fox's avatar

"Without evidence"

"Debunked"

"Completely discredited"

et. al.

I know there's a glossary out there of all the telltale words used in official propaganda, instant recognition that you're being lied to. I think it's called the 'AP Stylebook' that all propandists...errr..."journalists" follow.

Occam's avatar

100%.

Once you're attuned to this, it's startling how in-your-face brazen this is. By supposedly reputable news outlets.

Freedom Fox's avatar

Anything in these excerpts about the news media, "journalism" from Orwell eighty years ago that resonates today?

The Prevention of Literature

George Orwell, Polemic, January, 1946

https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/the-prevention-of-literature/

"In our age, the idea of intellectual liberty is under attack from two directions. On the one side are its theoretical enemies, the apologists of totalitarianism, and on the other its immediate, practical enemies, monopoly and bureaucracy. Any writer or journalist who wants to retain his integrity finds himself thwarted by the general drift of society rather than by active persecution. The sort of things that are working against him are the concentration of the press in the hands of a few rich men, the grip of monopoly on radio and the films, the unwillingness of the public to spend money on books, making it necessary for nearly every writer to earn part of his living by hackwork,

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Although other aspects of the question are usually in the foreground, the controversy over freedom of speech and of the press is at bottom a controversy of the desirability, or otherwise, of telling lies. What is really at issue is the right to report contemporary events truthfully, or as truthfully as is consistent with the ignorance, bias and self-deception from which every observer necessarily suffers.

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the immediate enemies of truthfulness, and hence of freedom of thought, are the press lords, the film magnates, and the bureaucrats, but that on a long view the weakening of the desire for liberty among the intellectuals themselves is the most serious symptom of all.

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And so far as freedom of expression is concerned, there is not much difference between a mere journalist and the most ‘unpolitical’ imaginative writer. The journalist is unfree, and is conscious of unfreedom, when he is forced to write lies or suppress what seems to him important news; the imaginative writer is unfree when he has to falsify his subjective feelings, which from his point of view are facts. He may distort and caricature reality in order to make his meaning clearer, but he cannot misrepresent the scenery of his own mind; he cannot say with any conviction that he likes what he dislikes, or believes what he disbelieves. If he is forced to do so, the only result is that his creative faculties will dry up. Nor can he solve the problem by keeping away from controversial topics. There is no such thing as a genuinely non-political literature, and least of all in an age like our own, when fears, hatreds, and loyalties of a directly political kind are near to the surface of everyone’s consciousness. Even a single taboo can have an all-round crippling effect upon the mind, because there is always the danger that any thought which is freely followed up may lead to the forbidden thought.

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Totalitarianism, however, does not so much promise an age of faith as an age of schizophrenia. A society becomes totalitarian when its structure becomes flagrantly artificial: that is, when its ruling class has lost its function but succeeds in clinging to power by force or fraud. Such a society, no matter how long it persists, can never afford to become either tolerant or intellectually stable. It can never permit either the truthful recording of facts or the emotional sincerity that literary creation demands. But to be corrupted by totalitarianism one does not have to live in a totalitarian country. The mere prevalence of certain ideas can spread a kind of poison that makes one subject after another impossible for literary purposes. Wherever there is an enforced orthodoxy — or even two orthodoxies, as often happens — good writing stops.

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In western Europe and America large sections of the literary intelligentsia have either passed through the Communist Party or have been warmly sympathetic to it, but this whole leftward movement has produced extraordinarily few books worth reading.

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And the destruction of intellectual liberty cripples the journalist, the sociological writer, the historian, the novelist, the critic, and the poet, in that order.

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Of course, print will continue to be used, and it is interesting to speculate what kinds of reading matter would survive in a rigidly totalitarian society. Newspapers will presumably continue until television technique reaches a higher level, but apart from newspapers it is doubtful even now whether the great mass of people in the industrialized countries feel the need for any kind of literature. They are unwilling, at any rate, to spend anywhere near as much on reading matter as they spend on several other recreations. Probably novels and stories will be completely superseded by film and radio productions. Or perhaps some kind of low grade sensational fiction will survive, produced by a sort of conveyor-belt process that reduces human initiative to the minimum.

It would probably not be beyond human ingenuity to write books by machinery. But a sort of mechanizing process can already be seen at work in the film and radio, in publicity and propaganda, and in the lower reaches of journalism.

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Papers such as the Writer abound with advertisements of literary schools, all of them offering you ready-made plots at a few shillings a time. Some, together with the plot, supply the opening and closing sentences of each chapter. Others furnish you with a sort of algebraical formula by the use of which you can construct plots for yourself. Others have packs of cards marked with characters and situations, which have only to be shuffled and dealt in order to produce ingenious stories automatically. It is probably in some such way that the literature of a totalitarian society would be produced,

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Meanwhile, totalitarianism has not fully triumphed anywhere. Our own society is still, broadly speaking, liberal. To exercise your right of free speech you have to fight against economic pressure and against strong sections of public opinion, but not, as yet, against a secret police force. You can say or print almost anything so long as you are willing to do it in a hole-and-corner way. But what is sinister, as I said at the beginning of this essay, is that the conscious enemies of liberty are those to whom liberty ought to mean most. The big public do not care about the matter one way or the other. They are not in favour of persecuting the heretic, and they will not exert themselves to defend him. They are at once too sane and too stupid to acquire the totalitarian outlook. The direct, conscious attack on intellectual decency comes from the intellectuals themselves.

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The U.S.S.R. is a large, rapidly developing country which has an acute need of scientific workers and, consequently, treats them generously. Provided that they steer clear of dangerous subjects such as psychology, scientists are privileged persons.

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But however it may be with the physical sciences, or with music, painting and architecture, it is — as I have tried to show — certain that literature is doomed if liberty of thought perishes. Not only is it doomed in any country which retains a totalitarian structure; but any writer who adopts the totalitarian outlook, who finds excuses for persecution and the falsification of reality, thereby destroys himself as a writer. There is no way out of this. No tirades against ‘individualism’ and the ‘ivory tower’, no pious platitudes to the effect that ‘true individuality is only attained through identification with the community’, can get over the fact that a bought mind is a spoiled mind."

Freedom Fox's avatar

Addendum:

"misleading and false claims"

"deniers"

"baseless"

"conspiracy theories"

Also the use of "quotation marks" around statements made by disfavored persons, while simply printing statements made by favored persons without the marks. Raises credibility questions for readers when they see the quote marks that aren't raised when they read statements made without them, taken as factual.

Pretty sure that's standard AP Stylebook nowadays. Chris, do you happen to have access to the latest version, being a professional writer and all these days?

Reader East of Albuquerque's avatar

smells a bit different though

Leonard's avatar

I notice some peanuts in it.

Must be a Baby Ruth.

Jim J Wilsky's avatar

"Dark visions".... the NYT is a joke, a very bad joke.

Frontera Lupita's avatar

Like this…💩?

Orwell’s Rabbit's avatar

Just for fun, I went on NY Times’ website, and searched for “Henry Nowak” ( the young White British guy who was stabbed 5 times by a Sikh, who filmed the incident, and when police arrived, the perp said that the victim had “said something racist” — untrue — so the police handcuffed the victim and essentially watched him die. His last words were, “I can’t breathe”.)

Nothing. Nada. Rien. Zip. Doesn’t fit the narrative. Then I checked the NY Post, and they had a couple of articles, but one whitewashed the incident to make it appear that the facts were still being uncovered. And that’s a “far right wing” newspaper, according to MSM. The Washington Examiner did a decent job of covering it.

When one relies on the NY Times as one’s news source, one gets a carefully curated collection of selective outrage and cultural condescension. What one doesn’t get…is the truth.

Irwin Chusid's avatar

The Times isn't a newspaper. It's a narrative-generator.

Lisa Ricketts's avatar

It always has been. That is the great secrete that nobody wants to say. I remember my Mother, not a Conservative, railing against the NYT fifty years ago. She also didn't care for the S.F. Chronicle's bias. I tried reading the Times back in College, but I just couldn't see what all the fuss was about. I did read the WSJ, but dumped it last year as it had been taken over by insane people.

TomS's avatar

just now reflecting on how, forty years ago, one of my retirement fantasies was to spend my mornings eating a leisurely breakfast while reading The Wall Street Journal.

Dropped my subscription years ago of course. Sad.

Reader East of Albuquerque's avatar

I have fond memories of reading the WSJ. That was a long, long time ago. Don't miss it.

Grape Soda's avatar

It’s an influence operation

PhDBiologistMom's avatar

Many of my colleagues still rush out for each new booster (and, sadly, get them for their kids too).

Korpijarvi's avatar

Dolt wrangling is a lucrative industry, Reader.

Reader East of Albuquerque's avatar

No shale— if you don't count the karma.

OregonB's avatar

"...Perceived..."?

I almost spit out my coffee reading that.

Thank you for reading that dreck so we don't have to.

Occam's avatar

Tons of smart, otherwise educated people read the NTY/WaPo headlines and that's the source of their worldview.

Propaganda is extremely effective. If someone hears something dozens or hundreds of times, they'll often come to believe it.

Here in Canada, the phrase "diversity is our strength" is an example of this. Despite science clearly illustrating the opposite, people recite it like dogma.

Reader East of Albuquerque's avatar

Occam— while I used to think many of these NYT readers (certainly the ones I know) were smart, I no longer do. I think they're, shall we say, especially challenged, and in ways that have, or likely will, lead them to an early grave. And for having taken all the covid shots that they have, I can only say, well, blessings and good luck with that.

As for education, I myself hold two degrees from a top university and I know now that what saved me from the shots wasn't all that, it was simply good old fashioned feet-on-the-ground common sense, the same feet-on-the-ground common sense that my refrigerator repair guy had. My university's higher ups, the effing idiots, mandated the Warp Speed shots on the students. It's a large university. It stands to reason, both from the VAERS data and what I have observed in my own family and my own neighborhood, that a number of those students who took the shots are now dead, and many more are injured, some to the point of lifelong debility.

Yes, as you say, propaganda is extremely effective. And it is most especially effective on people who believe themselves to be smart and educated because the propaganda is geared towards stroking people's vanities.

Occam's avatar

Extremely well said.

Tbh, their smugness and confidence in being correct, although they are horrifyingly wrong, is grating.

Dunning Kruger effect in action.

TShirtRadical.com's avatar

I am 60 years old & all my friends disowned me over this, including two I'd known for 35 years.

I literally do not know anyone anymore. Since it's coming out that I was right about everything, no one has called to apologize.

Perhaps they died. I wonder how many of the people I thought I was friends with were hurt by this ?

What did I think the apocalypse would look like, anyways ?

https://moderntowerofbabel.blogspot.com/2020/01/the-modern-tower-of-babel.html

rebrannin@aol.com's avatar

Yes. The mainstream media is very close to Pravda in terms of their coverage and narrative in support of the progressive propaganda machine.

fiendish_librarian's avatar

Matt Taibbi was absolutely correct in his classic piece: "The Sovietization of the American Press". I would expand that to include *all* legacy, corporate and state-funded media, as believe it or not, most Canadian media is even worse, quite possibly the worst in the English-speaking world.

Lisa Ricketts's avatar

Bingo! Canada is lost! We need to annex Alberta and possibly a few areas of BC.

Steve G's avatar

Nah, just wait. They’ll come begging.

Lisa Ricketts's avatar

My cousin called one day to ask if I had Grandma's birth certificate. She wants to apply to become an American citizen and live under Trump rather than Trudeau and now Carney. Our Grandmother was born in Chicago, but her Father was a citizen of the UK, so he took advantage of the free land when Canada opened the Prairie Provinces to Homesteaders!

Dan in Alabama's avatar

We need a land corridor to Alaska. The Brits refused to sell it 160 years ago after the Russians sold Alaska to us so we’d be forced to traverse Canada from the lower 48. The Tsar saved Russia by keeping Alaska out of British control.

Lisa Ricketts's avatar

Well that's a little too close to Vancouver, land of a thousand Starbucks and indistinguishable from a Chinese Colony these days. Sounds risky! I'd rather chance the moose and the East Indian truckers in Kamloops. Lol

Richard Parker's avatar

When I was a kid, Stanley Park was the Best Place in the World.

Lisa Ricketts's avatar

I'll bet it was. I spent many childhood Summers in Canada visiting family, friends and National Parks. It really is a beautiful country, full of breath taking natural beauty and pioneering people. Big grasshoppers too. Really big, huge!

Ripple's avatar

NYT - Pravda on the Hudson

WaPo - Pravda on the Potomac

NPR - National Pravda Radio

CaliforniaLost's avatar

LA Times - Pravda with a tan

Rikard's avatar

"No truth in Pravda, no news in Izvestija" - Soviet-era saying.

FuriousIT's avatar

"Dark" is loaded psyop language. Scott Adams pointed this out during the Hillary/Trump campaign. As we already know, the US media is indeed Pravda and serves the enemy of the US people. It's primary function is to convince us we don't see what our eyes clearly see, and that we see things we obviously don't- such as illogic is logic, and evil is righteous.

Lisa Ricketts's avatar

Yes! The crowd that requires a study to study the study or it never really happened. Lol, Turns out there is good money to be had in the "study business".

No name here's avatar

This is like when they fact-check Trump. "Actually, only 87.5% of LA's homeless are addicts. Pratt is a shameless lying liar who lies a lot". Yet a little under half the country will clap for the great wisdom and erudition of the press. Democracy dies in darkness!

CeeMcG's avatar
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Praying that he gets over 50% of the vote now, so there’s no runoff in June. Did you see this idiot on X who can’t think of a single positive thing to say about Karen Bass but he’s voting for her anyway? His wife must carry his balls around in her purse - good grief! 😡 https://x.com/jessebwatters/status/2060159128614346862

Chris Bray's avatar

I suspect he'll struggle to make it to 35%, but we'll know in a few days.

Linda Whitney's avatar

Could be, Chris.

However Pratt’s run at it will have introduced them to the uncomfortable fact that a huge portion of that unfortunate city’s population sees them for the self serving a-holes they are.

JuQu's avatar

Linda, I don’t think they care at all about public perception as long as they retain power.

Linda Whitney's avatar

Sadly, JuQu, I’ll bet you have it right.

Regina Filippone's avatar

We need to cheat like they do ?

Lisa Ricketts's avatar

It's LA, more likely he is his wife. Lol

Timothy Rutt's avatar

I was riding the A Line the other day, and a Metro staffer decked in high viz wore a pouch labeled “naloxene”. So non-medical government employees are carrying around counter-overdose drugs, just because. That doesn’t mean we have a drug problem, you know — that’d be dark.

PhDBiologistMom's avatar

That’s the Gold Line, right? (Why did they rename them?)

Aviva W.'s avatar
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I think it was for people who are colorblind. And they were running out of colors while trying to expand the network. 😡 (expand the network = steamrolling over communities who don’t want their traveling homeless shelters)

UPDATED TO ADD THE SOURCE:

“We updated line names to include a letter to help everyone, including riders with visual impairments”

https://www.metro.net/riding/line-letters/

Deborah's avatar

End stage leftism: for any given inconvenient fact, if you can't blame it on someone's racism, explain it away as something actually good, or claim the evil Right is lying about it, then just deny that the fact exists at all. Since every truth there is falls into the "inconvenient" category for them now, they do a lot of denial.

Lisa Ricketts's avatar

Hillary wrote the book on this when Bills bimbo explosions were getting too much attention. ." ...a vast Right Wing conspiracy." Nothing to see here, no cigars were harmed in the trafficking of young interns to pleasure Bill. Lol

Crash Pile's avatar

You hit all the acceptable explanations: racism, actually good, evil Right lies, deny existence. Might we add one more? Climate change. The MOAB of explanations.

Deborah's avatar

Absolutely that is the biggest of all

Valoree Dowell's avatar

The use of the word “dark” is intentional. It plays into the narrative of fear, distrust and anxiety that leads the psychologically challenged to tack back to what their purveyors are selling. A safe “known” harbor. Even if they know it’s wrong. It’s what they’ve been told to believe.

Al DuClur's avatar

They claim, like Kamala, to bring joy. Joy of looting. Joy of arson. Joy of drug overdose.

Corey's avatar

'...Pratt has claimed, without evidence, that “90 percent” of the city’s homeless population is addicted to drugs...'

Yes. The real number is probably closer to 99%

Connect The Dots's avatar

I wonder what they would consider "evidence"?

fiendish_librarian's avatar

Imagine reading the New York Times and thinking that you're anything *but* a frothing, total, delusional, and batshit imbecile.

Frontera Lupita's avatar

Oh but that is not the personal reflection of the average NYTs reader! They think of themselves as “informed and in the know”. And how could the NYT lie or why would they?

Gen Chang's avatar

Useless idiots all.

Lisa Ricketts's avatar

Bingo! Many in Silicon Valley take the Sunday Times and will tell you all about it and hoe cultured they are. Lol Keep voting yourselves and your children out of a job!

Regina Filippone's avatar

Unfortunately I can’t vote for him. I live in the burbs Where just this morning in my local park a crazy homeless woman yelled at me and a homeless guy sleeping on the bench followed me. I warned the woman doing yoga She left. Then I warned a neighbour walking that way. She said it was her second attempt to get into the park safely today. Clearly all light and unicorns.

Notsothoreau's avatar

Of course youcan vote for him! They aren't allowed to check voter ID.

Brigitte's avatar

I say do it multiple times

Thomas F Davis's avatar

I’m from the NYT. Your report cannot be accurate since it is impossible to follow someone while sleeping on a bench. However, please identify the park, I would be interested in interviewing that woman to determine her intersectionalities - she’s probably just arrived from a place like Texas where they wouldn’t pay for her transition.

Regina Filippone's avatar

The woman screamed and the man followed. Seperate crazy. One is never enough

Thomas F Davis's avatar

Yes. I just wanted to show the literal word game they play to obscure truth.

Hugh Wayne Black's avatar

You CAN vote for him!! No voter ID. No borders. Amiright?

PhDBiologistMom's avatar

Also in the LA-proximate ‘burbs and yes I wish I could vote in that race. I try to avoid the city proper but there are plenty of time I have to go into or through it and would love to have a say.

Aviva W.'s avatar

Well, Chris, if you were paying attention you would know that crime and homelessness are down in Los Angeles.

Bass will win another term. L.A. voters really are that stupid.

Chris Bray's avatar

Wouldn't be surprised.

Aviva W.'s avatar
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Bass has GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE and that’s what matters. Can’t elect another reality tv star!

Randy Farnum's avatar

Government experience straight from Havana!

ANG Pilot's avatar

TRUST THE EXPERTS!

/sarc

Kelly Donivan's avatar

I know eighth graders who are smarter than Karen Bass.

Lisa Ricketts's avatar

What if that T.V. star studied Political Science at USC?

Kelly Donivan's avatar

You don't need a degree in Poli Sci to do this job. Higher education in many areas of study is overrated and I have two degrees.

Frontera Lupita's avatar

I hope you are not correct. If that’s the case then they deserve the further destruction and decay of their city.

Ataraxis's avatar

If Bass wins, the Feds need to flood LA with fraud investigators. A total full court press. Audit every single elected official and all LA government department heads along with every NGO operating in LA. Be relentless. Threaten them all with RICO investigations since the Dems are a criminal organization no different from the Mafia.

Make them all squirm, and then you will see all the rats desperately try to jump off the sinking ship.

A.J.'s avatar
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Los Angeles Olympics Summer 2028. If that city is not clean and safe in time, T47 will, mark my words, declare martial law there and the Feds will clean it up, or he’ll have the whole show moved to another state, most likely Florida, and run new “golden” buses and taxies to connect venues along the Silver Meteor Amtrak line from NYC to Miami. Super special high speed bus shuttles to Palm Beach and Florida’s Gulf Coast. He’ll rename the train the “Gold Meteor.” If Pratt wins, same mass transit plan but in Los Angeles.

Aviva W.'s avatar
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Actually I’d love to see L.A. become the world’s laughing stock over a botched Olympics. The smug leadership and willfully ignorant residents deserve that. Don’t rescue them from their own folly.

Brigitte's avatar

I’ve been thinking this, but I would bet money that the Bass contingent (who probably will still be in place unfortunately) will suddenly figure out that LA CAN get rid of problems for special events. Then when it’s over they’ll develop total amnesia about having cleaned the place up, let everyone back into the streets, and it will be back to business as usual

Aviva W.'s avatar

Undoubtedly. There’s a lot to pulling off a successful Olympics (the airport, transportation, security, price gouging of tourists) that is more than shoveling the homeless off the streets. We’ll see. I lived in Atlanta before and during the 1996 Olympics and the media and IOC savaged my city. We’ll see. Maybe being a globalist Democrat-run city, L.A. will be praised for any outcome.

Lisa Ricketts's avatar

BINGO! Stop enabling the insanity and Drug addled, be their drug Meth or Power!

Ataraxis's avatar

He should start threatening LA after the election if Pratt doesn’t win.

Carrot and stick time.

A.J.'s avatar

Oh, he will. Recall how long T-47 had the old and then the brand new FIFA World Cup trophies on display in the Oval Office. More like heavy steel bludgeon with no carrots. “Such a one time deal offer ya can’t refuse!”

Christopher Graf's avatar

If she wins they cheated.

Ataraxis's avatar

I hope she cheats and the Feds are watching.

Bill Lacey's avatar

How do you sweep the "perceived" 23,445 acres of LA county that was burned to the ground because of no water, 50% of the fire truck fleet being inoperable and a failure to follow up on the original arson that started the fires?

Uh, ignore what actually happened, then blame Trump who wasn't in office yet , then blame Karen Bass's opponent who wasn't her opponent until his house was burned down caused her ineptitude. And mostly rely on your readers ignorance because you've never, ever, told them the truth. Ever.

Airish's avatar

It can’t be the fault of the LAFD, which is gloriously led by cadres of obese black lesbians, who are literally the apex of human evolution — and if you think otherwise, comrade, we have a plan designed to help you think correct thoughts again.

AndyinBC's avatar

I am old enough to remember when unfortunates who were that insanely disconnected from reality were locked up - for the safety of the community. And for their own good.

FREED0ML0VER's avatar

Homeless addicts!?!?!? They're just happy campers. Don't you realize that if we just don't use any ugly words, there won't be any ugliness???

Queen Hotchibobo's avatar

Well, that’s DARK.

Lisa Ricketts's avatar

Perfect! Reminds me of the difference between a "time out" and a spanking! One is a memorable consequence and the other is time to roll ones eyes and contemplate a more covert way of getting Bobby's toy, 5inutes in the future.

MLHVM's avatar

This isn't the crisis you are looking for....move along.

However much you hate the media, It Is Not Enough.

It Is Never Enough.

Glenn Bogart's avatar

There has to be a word for this level of obfuscation. Oh, I just thought of it. Evil. And deliberate evil at that.

Ataraxis's avatar
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The lies from the left are never going to stop, and will only get more strident.

Our goal is to get the left down to being only 25% of the population, which unfortunately is the fixed number of crazy people that we will never be able to cure.

Scott Adams popularized the 25% number from polls asking dumb questions like “is the sun out during the day and the moon at night? Ridiculous polls such as this would always end up 75% normal answer to 25% crazy answer. Always.

There is a counter intuitive effect to the NYT gaslighting that does favor us. The effect unfortunately moves excruciatingly slow, but over time I believe the more that the indecisive people in the center see the lies, the more they will move to the right. They may only become center right, but that’s OK because center right is at least on the common sense side of things.