These people are not stupid, but are becoming more brazen and emboldened everyday. They are showing us and telling us who they are. Communists. Expect it to get much worse.
Honestly, I think it's ridiculous that the Judiciary Committee is stepping into this. We don't even know if he'll be charged. The only one claiming he will be is Trump, or at least I've not seen any evidence that Bragg himself has declared he's charging him.
But having said that, yes, the judicial system has gotten way too politicized and we need to try to do something about it and Mr. Schiff talking about rule of law is the height of the Uniparty Clown Show.
You make good points, but whether he is charged or not, the mere fact that the DA campaigned on, and has oriented his office around 'getting' a political opponent screams out the need for some kind of oversight. Not dead sure that US House of Representatives Judiciary is the best place for that to happen long term, but since we can assume that NY AG or someone like that won't get involved it probably has to be this way.
I understand your point. My problem is there is nothing the Judiciary committee or even the House (or Congress for that matter) can really do about it.
They can investigate what the federal government is doing (the intelligence agencies, the DOJ) because that is expressly their job. They can even investigate Big Tech censorship because they can tie it into lawmaking about Section 230 and because government agencies using Big Tech to censor people is a civil rights issue.
However, there is really nothing they can do about this. They have no jurisdiction over the state and local courts of New York, and there is no legislative goal here. (And we want it to stay that way. Imagine if the Democrats thought they could just willy-nilly pull prosecutors in for doing things they don't like, especially in their current tyrannical mood.) The best they can do is scream about federal dollars being spent, which is why that was one of Jim Jordan's points.
And in the end, Trump did commit something of a crime, albeit a misdemeanor (falsifying business records) in an age when we don't even care about some felonies, but still, it was a crime, and what Bragg is doing, according to Tucker Carlson, the Obama DOJ tried to do to John Edwards, which is considering hush money payments akin to in-kind political contributions for the purposes of campaign finance law. It failed then. It would likely fail now. But they have the legal right (if not the ethical or moral right) to try the legal argument, regardless of their motivations.
So what ends up happening is it ends up looking like the Judiciary, which has been investigating things that are a big-picture problem and that all of us need someone to take on, is simply another political organ to protect Trump, cheapening whatever else they find.
Those are fair points. Bragg is a state official and not a Federal official and we do want to keep Feds out of state business. On the other hand, one of the great problems in this country is that there is no accountability mechanism. By design or by oversight the people have no way to reclaim the power that they have delegated to states or governments. To claim that we can do this through elections is a farce. We need some kind of direct removal from office/vote of no confidence mechanism. Until the people are able to reclaim control of the government I support any accountability even if it falls outside of the established structures.
It's not clear to me, or I think to anyone, if anything that Trump did here was a crime. I think it is sort of a 'This is legal in Column A but you wrote it down in Column B' kind of a thing, and it isn't clear at all that he had any personal knowledge or involvement in this part of it. If he is charged I expect his defense will be, 'The accounting was done the way my legal and accounting guys told me to do it.' which seems pretty reasonable to me. The only moral dimension, the affair, is so far from the legal issues that this seems entirely like a bookkeeping thing to me which should be dealt with by the campaign organization not personally.
And I do think that Judiciary's involvement here is a big deal on the right side. This is weaponization of the Justice System against the people. Yeah, it is state not federal, and yeah I would like the states to be more independent. But this is a problem with the justice system that needs SOMEONE to take oversight of.
I understand everything you're saying and in principle agree. It's just not going to work out the way you think because of everything I mentioned above and finally this: The Democrats have brought our system to a breaking point (and no matter what they offer, for that I can't ever forgive the party). They have constantly circumvented or ignored the checks and balances to keep power and they have justified it as this "unique threat" for which we must sacrifice all the principles that have made a country of diverse thought and experience keep chugging along more peacefully than one would typically have a right to expect. But in doing that, they have created a situation where, yes, the Judiciary will step in, but it will be seen as a wholly political move and no one that doesn't already see the danger will believe they did it for the right reasons or that there is really a problem.
And, yes, this is a horrid situation. If Democrats are allowed to derail Trump's campaign on what are specious charges (akin to arresting Trump for jaywalking), then it will become the establishments' modus operandi, and no candidate they don't like will be safe. But on the other hand, they have politicized so many of our institutions that no one who needs to believe that this is dangerous and wrong will be convinced if the Judiciary steps in.
And this--"To claim that we can do this through elections is a farce." We have to do it through elections, unless you're suggesting revolution. I don't know how we accomplish it, but unless you want violence, elections are our only way out.
And to that end, I'm ambivalent about what happens to Trump. He is not the vessel to change the minds of the still sane people voting for Democrats. If Republicans choose him, and it's him or Biden, I'll vote for him. But Republicans would be much better off choosing someone else who can get through to the sane center-left.
The system is not at a breaking point. It is already broken by any sensible measure. Participating in the system is pouring scotch over a pile of broken glass and thinking you can pick up the bits of glass and have a nice drink out of it. Voting is betting that the scotch won't be spilled out of the 'glass'.
The purpose of elections was never to give us control of the state but to make us buy in to the state. Just like it is hard to see the truth about the jabs after you have taken a few it is hard to see the truth about the democracy once you have voted for a few. It is like loaning out your credibility to Hunter Biden, or some generic crack-headed, incestuous, thief, now you are invested in him, and hope to see him succeed, but you are just an enabler for his habits. Ditto for voting and the USG.(this is all setting aside the very astute observation that you can't fix election fraud by voting)
Modern society has this unstoppable, fundamentally unexplained, highly energetic motion, like a stampeding dinosaur. The Left is a machine powered by this motion and depending on its inertia, like Fred Flintstone's brontosaurus excavator. They don't understand anything about the cause of the motion or really its direction but they like it, because they can use that motion to power things. Fred appeared to be in control of a well-trained dinosaur but the reality would be him bucking and swaying trying to coax the wild beast in the direction that he wanted it to go, while it thrashes about wildly. Fred Flintstone is Chuck Schumer or any of them really. The Right is everybody else that says, 'I don't know what is going on with this thing but we can't let that dino keep stomping around look at all the stuff getting broke.' So far, no efforts to steer or slow society have had any effect. It has fallen off quite a few cliffs and survived and we keep wondering if the next one will be the big one. The Left is always stronger because they use the dinosaur's power. The Right is really just a name for everyone that thinks out of control dinosaurs are a bad idea, being anti-stampede doesn't mean we have a lot in common. Biden can't control the beast and Trump can't stop it. Neither of them have even considered the fundamental problems with the system, and it is getting way past the point of putting band-aids on it.
Just out of curiosity, because you do seem quite sensible, our disagreement aside, but how do you think that the Judiciary investigating Bragg will address any of that above? They can't stop his investigation. They can't stop the grand jury bringing charges. They can't stop Trump being arrested. All they can do is point it out, and while pointing it out is necessary (though all those who would care already know and those who don't care will never care), what do you envision the result being?
Looked up "pathological liar". Apparently that habit is a symptom of "narcissistic personality disorder". Which in turn is a characteristic of many of the sociopaths and psychopaths we tend to elect to public office. So Mr. Schiff's observations are simple manifestations of an unfortunate psychological condition. The apparent inability to recognize the incongruity inherent in his claim that following due process is in some way against the law is absolutely "normal". For today's values of "normal".
"This attempt to use the legal system to counter our abuse of the legal system is a clear and present danger to our arbitrary rule."
Due process is basically Hitler.
Due process is LITERALLY Hitler, denier!
Rule of law is Stalin!
Quiet, Communist!
Now THAT was succinct!
I have two thoughts...
It must be nice to have a “content generator” like Schiff whenever you’re searching for something to write about.
Someone must have hacked his Twitter account because not even Adam Schiff is THAT stupid...(or is he?)
These people are not stupid, but are becoming more brazen and emboldened everyday. They are showing us and telling us who they are. Communists. Expect it to get much worse.
Spoken like a true career criminal who is unable to speak without lying.
Would be nice if we had an actual Journalist or two who would ask Mr. Schiff "what the actual fuck, dude? For real."
Would.
Be.
Nice.
There appear to be no actual journalists left who ask real questions, or write investigative journalism.
How dare they!!...practice law
What more can be said? Discovery for the defense is a broadside against the rule of law? No wonder Schiff didn't try to explain. He can't.
21st century Rule of Law:
The law is now an instrument of illegality itself.
Not the real law. Just the perverted and twisted law. If law is a man-made artifact we're screwed. Law is recognized, not made.
Well I agree. Until the perverted law is unleashed on you.
Then it becomes all too real.
Honestly, I think it's ridiculous that the Judiciary Committee is stepping into this. We don't even know if he'll be charged. The only one claiming he will be is Trump, or at least I've not seen any evidence that Bragg himself has declared he's charging him.
But having said that, yes, the judicial system has gotten way too politicized and we need to try to do something about it and Mr. Schiff talking about rule of law is the height of the Uniparty Clown Show.
You make good points, but whether he is charged or not, the mere fact that the DA campaigned on, and has oriented his office around 'getting' a political opponent screams out the need for some kind of oversight. Not dead sure that US House of Representatives Judiciary is the best place for that to happen long term, but since we can assume that NY AG or someone like that won't get involved it probably has to be this way.
I understand your point. My problem is there is nothing the Judiciary committee or even the House (or Congress for that matter) can really do about it.
They can investigate what the federal government is doing (the intelligence agencies, the DOJ) because that is expressly their job. They can even investigate Big Tech censorship because they can tie it into lawmaking about Section 230 and because government agencies using Big Tech to censor people is a civil rights issue.
However, there is really nothing they can do about this. They have no jurisdiction over the state and local courts of New York, and there is no legislative goal here. (And we want it to stay that way. Imagine if the Democrats thought they could just willy-nilly pull prosecutors in for doing things they don't like, especially in their current tyrannical mood.) The best they can do is scream about federal dollars being spent, which is why that was one of Jim Jordan's points.
And in the end, Trump did commit something of a crime, albeit a misdemeanor (falsifying business records) in an age when we don't even care about some felonies, but still, it was a crime, and what Bragg is doing, according to Tucker Carlson, the Obama DOJ tried to do to John Edwards, which is considering hush money payments akin to in-kind political contributions for the purposes of campaign finance law. It failed then. It would likely fail now. But they have the legal right (if not the ethical or moral right) to try the legal argument, regardless of their motivations.
So what ends up happening is it ends up looking like the Judiciary, which has been investigating things that are a big-picture problem and that all of us need someone to take on, is simply another political organ to protect Trump, cheapening whatever else they find.
Those are fair points. Bragg is a state official and not a Federal official and we do want to keep Feds out of state business. On the other hand, one of the great problems in this country is that there is no accountability mechanism. By design or by oversight the people have no way to reclaim the power that they have delegated to states or governments. To claim that we can do this through elections is a farce. We need some kind of direct removal from office/vote of no confidence mechanism. Until the people are able to reclaim control of the government I support any accountability even if it falls outside of the established structures.
It's not clear to me, or I think to anyone, if anything that Trump did here was a crime. I think it is sort of a 'This is legal in Column A but you wrote it down in Column B' kind of a thing, and it isn't clear at all that he had any personal knowledge or involvement in this part of it. If he is charged I expect his defense will be, 'The accounting was done the way my legal and accounting guys told me to do it.' which seems pretty reasonable to me. The only moral dimension, the affair, is so far from the legal issues that this seems entirely like a bookkeeping thing to me which should be dealt with by the campaign organization not personally.
And I do think that Judiciary's involvement here is a big deal on the right side. This is weaponization of the Justice System against the people. Yeah, it is state not federal, and yeah I would like the states to be more independent. But this is a problem with the justice system that needs SOMEONE to take oversight of.
I understand everything you're saying and in principle agree. It's just not going to work out the way you think because of everything I mentioned above and finally this: The Democrats have brought our system to a breaking point (and no matter what they offer, for that I can't ever forgive the party). They have constantly circumvented or ignored the checks and balances to keep power and they have justified it as this "unique threat" for which we must sacrifice all the principles that have made a country of diverse thought and experience keep chugging along more peacefully than one would typically have a right to expect. But in doing that, they have created a situation where, yes, the Judiciary will step in, but it will be seen as a wholly political move and no one that doesn't already see the danger will believe they did it for the right reasons or that there is really a problem.
And, yes, this is a horrid situation. If Democrats are allowed to derail Trump's campaign on what are specious charges (akin to arresting Trump for jaywalking), then it will become the establishments' modus operandi, and no candidate they don't like will be safe. But on the other hand, they have politicized so many of our institutions that no one who needs to believe that this is dangerous and wrong will be convinced if the Judiciary steps in.
And this--"To claim that we can do this through elections is a farce." We have to do it through elections, unless you're suggesting revolution. I don't know how we accomplish it, but unless you want violence, elections are our only way out.
And to that end, I'm ambivalent about what happens to Trump. He is not the vessel to change the minds of the still sane people voting for Democrats. If Republicans choose him, and it's him or Biden, I'll vote for him. But Republicans would be much better off choosing someone else who can get through to the sane center-left.
The system is not at a breaking point. It is already broken by any sensible measure. Participating in the system is pouring scotch over a pile of broken glass and thinking you can pick up the bits of glass and have a nice drink out of it. Voting is betting that the scotch won't be spilled out of the 'glass'.
The purpose of elections was never to give us control of the state but to make us buy in to the state. Just like it is hard to see the truth about the jabs after you have taken a few it is hard to see the truth about the democracy once you have voted for a few. It is like loaning out your credibility to Hunter Biden, or some generic crack-headed, incestuous, thief, now you are invested in him, and hope to see him succeed, but you are just an enabler for his habits. Ditto for voting and the USG.(this is all setting aside the very astute observation that you can't fix election fraud by voting)
Modern society has this unstoppable, fundamentally unexplained, highly energetic motion, like a stampeding dinosaur. The Left is a machine powered by this motion and depending on its inertia, like Fred Flintstone's brontosaurus excavator. They don't understand anything about the cause of the motion or really its direction but they like it, because they can use that motion to power things. Fred appeared to be in control of a well-trained dinosaur but the reality would be him bucking and swaying trying to coax the wild beast in the direction that he wanted it to go, while it thrashes about wildly. Fred Flintstone is Chuck Schumer or any of them really. The Right is everybody else that says, 'I don't know what is going on with this thing but we can't let that dino keep stomping around look at all the stuff getting broke.' So far, no efforts to steer or slow society have had any effect. It has fallen off quite a few cliffs and survived and we keep wondering if the next one will be the big one. The Left is always stronger because they use the dinosaur's power. The Right is really just a name for everyone that thinks out of control dinosaurs are a bad idea, being anti-stampede doesn't mean we have a lot in common. Biden can't control the beast and Trump can't stop it. Neither of them have even considered the fundamental problems with the system, and it is getting way past the point of putting band-aids on it.
Just out of curiosity, because you do seem quite sensible, our disagreement aside, but how do you think that the Judiciary investigating Bragg will address any of that above? They can't stop his investigation. They can't stop the grand jury bringing charges. They can't stop Trump being arrested. All they can do is point it out, and while pointing it out is necessary (though all those who would care already know and those who don't care will never care), what do you envision the result being?
Do they mean the kind of "discovery" that was withheld by Congress investigating Jan 6?
So, Donald Trump is supposed to roll over and play dead while the Libs urinate on his grave. Adam Schiff is the problem,not the solution.
Looked up "pathological liar". Apparently that habit is a symptom of "narcissistic personality disorder". Which in turn is a characteristic of many of the sociopaths and psychopaths we tend to elect to public office. So Mr. Schiff's observations are simple manifestations of an unfortunate psychological condition. The apparent inability to recognize the incongruity inherent in his claim that following due process is in some way against the law is absolutely "normal". For today's values of "normal".
Rebuttal: A man with a head shaped that much like male genitalia and referred to as such in public places cannot be a narcissist.
Rebuttal to Rebuttal: Unless he is also a masochist, which fits the facts of Shifty Schiff.
Admission. I find it hard to like many of the people on our side. And then I consider the likes of Shifty Schiff and by God I don't feel so bad.
If he’s not successful in his senate run he definitely should have no problem getting hired by the Babylon Bee. He is a human parody.
Defending one's self is an attack on the rule of law? Is this what Pencil Neck is saying?
Yes. Hiring lawyers is FASCISM, Nazi!
And practically an admission of guilt.
15,972 likes..???? That's all?? Mental illness must be in decline. Good
In fairness, he's getting dragged in the comments to his own tweet.