Saint George Floyd is the patron saint of all the "United Church(es) of Christ" here in New Hampshire. The good ladies of the Churches had a quilting bee, and made a lovely display of George Floyd Memorial quilts, which they proudly showed to the public on Martin Luther King Day....when I went to see the exhibit, they called the cops on me, for no reason!....
This level of social lunacy, to me, is evidence FOR the thesis of this report....
"A nuclear-armed Iran is a threat to its Arab neighbors, as well as to Israel, and my bet would be that this action was discussed and welcomed all over the Middle East. As a first guess, I suspect that many discussions are going on around the Gulf that we don’t know about."
If this is the case, those governments need to speak up loudly and clearly so everybody can hear them.
The Arab countries were threatened by Iran, and are happy to see the threat go away. They are also traditional rivals with Iran, in culture--Semitic Arabs vs. Indo-European Persians--and in religion, the Arab Sunnis vs. Persian Shi'as. In spite of all that, Arabs and Persians are fellow Muslims, and there is a cultural and religious principle that Muslims must maintain solidarity against "infidels." So it would not be a shock for them to be privately pleased but publicly silent.
Yes, the American people benefit by knowing our actions were supported by the world and not based on Israel's decision to enter into a mission they knew they couldn't finish.
We 🇺🇸 have a long relationship with Iran from Suez through the fall of the Shah (1956-1979) and our alliance with Israel doesn’t begin until after the 1967 war. As Iran’s government made its justification for existence from the start until now to oppose America-the Great Satan- they’ve been attacking us for decades. Last night was a rare instance of us shooting back.
Had the Mullahs abandoned their pursuit of Israel and terrorism in general they’d have the bomb by now.
We are simply availing ourselves of an opportunity Iran created and demanded by backing HAMAS, then having its other proxies in Lebanon and Yemen attack Israel and shipping in the red sea. Its proxies in Syria and Iraq attacked our soldiers in Jordan at Tower 22. We can go on.
We would need to shoot back if Israel didn’t exist.
As it happens Israel is destroying Iran’s capabilities to make war against Israel and we’re taking the opportunity to destroy or cripple Iran’s nuclear program.
Israel?
Israel’s greatest gains BTW are by 1967, BEFORE they became our ally. Have a look at the maps. Israel has paid since 1973 in Blood and Land for their alliance, most of our “allies” never survived so long.
We are acting as usual for ourselves, that the timing lines up with Israel is true.
Also true- we are both reacting to Iran’s actions.
The UN is Farce, and our 🇺🇸 farce which is why it’s in New York.
Sorry.
Sometimes the mask has to slip if the matter is too pressing, it is…
In our defense we’ve always been much softer and farther away than the alternatives before us, and certainly what will come after us. Now that we can talk about this, the New Dealers had the most brilliant touch, the Common Market ~ EC ~ EU was so soft and subtle, the second greatest story since the … yes the Virgin Jean Monet was visited by the Archangel George, who said you shall birth a common market *conceived without sin* ..
The Eurozone believes that the French and Germans set the conditions of the long peace… being the victors of WW2 and all.
Rubio said that there was much support in the ME for Trumps action against Iran. But he said for political reasons the support is given behind the scenes while saying the opposite publicly. And he then shrugged 🤷♂️
I would have been sorely disappointed if Trump had bombed Iran ON BEHALF of Israel. But, in fact, Trump did so on behalf of the USA. Dems rely on the amnesia (stupidity) of the American people- but the joke is on them. It is clear to Trump supporters that, once again, Trump is fulfilling his promise to the people- no nukes for Iran. And the last one who should be surprised is Iran. Trump told them over and over again, “no nukes”. He told them they could do it the hard way or the easy way and they chose the hard way. KA-BOOM! I expect nothing less than this kind of decisive action from my President. Makes me proud. We finally have a President who is fulfilling his promises to the American people- and the world.
To be proud of your president is to worship? Kamala supporters--take note! ("You're in the wrong meeting," she said when an audience member openly praised the One Who is eligible to receive true worship.)
I was never infantry, but all leadership courses in the army are taught via the infantry model. By that I mean, the kinesthetic application of the learning principles are accomplished by rotating leadership positions as a squad leader, platoon, sergeant/platoon leader, first sergeant/company Commander/regimental S3 XO commander…
So I say this as no infantryman like Chris, but more as a generic Army vet:
Take a knee; drink water; weapons out.
This is what you say during a tactical pause/rest during a tactical movement to contact as a squad, platoon, company.
There are so many implied and specified messages in those three short commands.
Take a knee. Rest. But it’s an active rest. Similar to how Gideon’s final hundred soldiers chose to drink from the river. It is rest, but do not sleep. The mission is not over.
Drink water. Always hydrate. For our vehicles, we conducted daily weekly monthly and quarterly “preventive maintenance checks and services”, PMCS is the shortened verb acronym we always say.
Drink water implies constantly conduct PMCS on your primary vehicle, your body. Take responsibility. Never let yourself run out of fuel. It is your responsibility to take care of you.
Weapons out. Tactically a formation move into a circle during one of these pauses/rests. Weapons out means there’s 360° coverage. We are in a non-permissive, hostile environment. Keep your eyes open. Don’t let down your guard.
Unlike the “high anxiety, hummingbird high hover” Take a knee, drink water, weapons out is a healthy response. It lowers blood pressure, but does not ignore the obvious.
This is how I interpret Chris’s “72 hour rule or wait a week rule.
So much of our discourse in this nation would improve if we all chose to initially follow these guidelines.
One problem is that anger has such energy. Self righteousness disguises its poison with a false sense of energy. It’s stolen energy, it steals from our ability to heal and recuperate.
so if the info jeff c passed along is accurate, US intel was watching the satellite which showed the iranians moving all their stuff out of the nuke site, and...waited til the trucks had taken all of it?
starting to look more and more like a b movie to me
I sense complexity and careful escalation. Regardless of any evacuation at Fordow, destroying the nuclear sites stops the bomb program. It takes a lot of highly specialized engineering to turn enriched uranium into a nuclear bomb, but their top scientists are dead and their skies are controlled by Israel and the US. The trucks were probably tracked.
TL;DR: Trump got what he wanted (no Iran nukes), and without making a mess by blowing up the uranium.
Not only waited for the trucks to be loaded & personnel removed, but Trump had Iran notified ahead of time of the attack coming so they could remove the uranium / nuclear stuff in order to avoid any contamination from the blast.
so if the info jeff c passed along is accurate, US intel was watching the satellite whichi showed the iranians moving all their stuff out of the nuke site, and...waited til the trucks had taken all of it?
starting to look more and more like a b movie to me
It's difficult to form an intelligent and informed opinion on anything related to global events when we're raised like mushrooms... kept in the dark and fed shit wrt our respective governments's motives and intensions. All I know is that I am sick and tired and fed up with constant war, and I'm beginning to believe that the greater majority of the world's governments are in collusion with each other in an effort to enforce world domination and the ultimate enslavement of humanity... There!~ I said it!
When a dependable BDA is seen, I'll believe it. Till then, we bombed Iran, probably set their nuke fever dream back quite a bit. If the destruction is as complete as is being reported (by those who know nothing more than you and me) the hurrah! Let Israel finish the job. We're done!
I think you’re conflating Iran the country with their leadership and with Islam as a whole. I doubt if most Iranian citizens have a grudge against the US for supporting a coup in 1953. However, the Muslim fanatics currently running Iran have grudges against the US, Israel, Jews, Christianity, and Western civilization as a whole which long predates any US action.
I forgot to mention the Iran-Iraq War of 1980-1988, that started with Iraq invading Iran. Saddam Hussein first rose to power in a six-man CIA-backed squad to assassinate the then prime minister of Iraq, and in the Iran-Iraq War two decades later, the U.S. backed Iraq despite it's use of chemical weapons. Iran's military dead are estimated to be somewhere between 200,000 and 600,000.
Wikipedia:
"During the Iran–Iraq War, which began with the Iraqi invasion of Iran on 22 September 1980, the United States adopted a policy of providing support to Iraq in the form of several billion dollars' worth of economic aid, dual-use technology, intelligence sharing (e.g., IMINT), and special operations training.[1] This U.S. support, along with support from most of the Arab world, proved vital in helping Iraq sustain military operations against Iran.[2] The documented sale of dual-use technology, with one notable example being Iraq's acquisition of 45 Bell helicopters in 1985,[3][4] was effectively a workaround for a ban on direct arms transfers; U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East dictated that Iraq was a state sponsor of terrorism because of the Iraqi government's historical ties with groups like the Palestinian Liberation Front and the Abu Nidal Organization, among others.[5] However, this designation was removed in 1982 to facilitate broader support for the Iraqis as the conflict dragged on in Iran's favor."
The clock starts on their time. We stepped into millenia-old regional and intra-faith conflicts. We don't get to dictate what others know and remember, nor can we control their vendettas.
We are just another Christian meddler to them--they've seen centuries of meddling in their affairs.
In the last 125 years, they've been buffeted by waves of European colonizers, interlopers, meddlers, manipulators. They've had their oil stolen, borders moved, and more.
CB's comment above provided details of the modern-era meddling and killing that the US itself orchestrated. Might want to review that article for a bit of context:
"At least 72 years, since Kermit Roosevelt and the CIA overthrew Iran's elected prime minister, Mohammad Mosaddeg, in 1953:
Later, of course, we and the Israelis schooled the Shah's secret police, the SAVAK, on the most exceptionally effective torture techniques."
That was what was stuck in the craw of the revolutionaries who overthrew the Shah and threw out his foreign sponsors--the USA. The coup we planned and supported, that took away the first taste of self-rule they'd had in a long time. Religion was the rallying point for the action.
Just because we're ignorant of history doesn't make it go away. The peoples that we have mistreated don't forget, even if we do.
The revolutionaries' seizing our embassy was pay-back for America's running a coup against their first elected government.
That’s nice. If only I couldn’t read their rather long and bloody history myself. But I have.
Now they have been attacking in every direction for decades, and killed thousands of Americans, and that’s all.
And DGAF, they aren’t victims, even if they’re brown and not Christian.
Interesting to bring up Mossadegh and the “coup” against their “elected” government.
No one was more instrumental in bringing down “elected “ (by 153 total votes in Parliament, he was simply the head of Parliament) than the landowner Shia clerics.
Except perhaps the Shah.
That the British acted in their interests and the Americans nodded is trifling compared to the resentment to Mossadegh from within.
Interesting Christian angle too, as this was at no point a factor in all of recorded history in Iran.
If you believe American exceptionalism is a curse then you're naïve as well as wrong. There isn't a country on the planet whose people don't believe themselves exceptional. The problem for you and for them is the US actually is exceptional.
As for your prattle about Iran being bombed, they will never stop trying to destroy the Great and Little Satan, and we may have to kick their asses again. Their belief is if we won't convert to Islam we should die. I'm a Christian and have no interest in becoming Muslim, and in fact have no problem with responding to Iran's attacks and the attacks of their proxies just as we did last night.
At some point when someone fools around, they need to find out. With what little exposure I've had to you in three sentences, I assume you'd sing kumbaya and allow whatever Sharia law requires to be done to you. I won't.
You say that like a nuclear weapons facility worked to the benefit of the Iranian people. If North Korea bombed the Stanford Internet Observatory or Fauci's office, I'd mix a drink then dance on the patio surrounded by bluebirds and bunny rabbits.
I'm not worried about America. I'm worried Bibi wants regime change rather than just disarmament and is going to drag us into a quagmire.
Whatever. You and I have a pretty long history interacting with each other on this website, and this blog in particular. Typically we are in agreement.
Last point; Israel is a client. A weak one at that in terms of power re us, which is why their partisans here are so loud. AARP has power.
The very quiet big money foreign lobby are the Gulf Arabs. We went to war in 1991 for them. We tolerated years and years of a USS Liberty level death toll monthly in Iraq KNOWING they were in part funding it. We knew and ate it.
We overlooked 9/11 Saudis, probably fairly enough as they were in rebellion against the Saudis (of whom I am no fan). And so on.
And on.
Bibi is simply trying to survive as ALLY of America that until 5 months ago was deeply in bed with Iran.
If backcountry travel and camping provides you with so much common sense as the recommend that we should shut up and wait seven days, why don’t we impose that on politicians and the press – I would love to see how they sit around a circle, wondering how to light a camp fire without app to conjure up the myriad of permits and emission controls that compute the carbon footprint for their outdoor excursion. I am jealous of your ability to multitask with such an awesome freedom to enjoy the great outdoors. No doubt we will hear about the skirmishes of the pro- and anti-bomb droppers among the conservatives that is sure to break up the MAGA movement. Your reminder of the contradictions and utter ignorance of past misadventures is priceless.
Chris, I agree with your sentiments completely. I’ve been reading that it’s all posturing because Iran moved all their uranium a few days before the attack and that a “deal” was done. USA bombs Iran, Iran issues a few bombs of their own and then a peace deal is struck. Nobody loses face. Only time will tell if there’s been wheeling dealing going on that no one is privy to except the muckety mucks. For now, everybody needs to just chill out for a few days.
Having the material that hasn’t been enriched and not having the equipment anymore to enrich it may make it way less concerning? Maybe? But what the heck do I know? I’m just an old lady rancher.
That was an analysis I heard today. The less-enriched uranium isn’t good for much of anything (except as fuel? Does Iran have nuclear power plants?) without the centrifuges to enrich it further.
And it seems to me that waiting till the uranium was gone also reduced the risk of collateral damage (one might even say “fallout”) from scattering uranium dust and shrapnel around the region, like a dirty bomb.
Is it possible to have moved the material in the vehicles shown?
I am no radiation/nuclear expert, but those vehicles looked capable of moving men and some materials (documents) - not radio-active or bulk (centrifuges) equipment/supplies.
Along with the 14 GBU-57's at the Uranium enrichment (and possibly bomb making(?)) facilities, several dozen (I've heard 30-60) cruise missiles where launched at surface targets. Where these trucks hauling equipment the targets? There has been little discussion of what the cruise missile targets were and I doubt they were all targeting air defense systems.
As always the 72 hour, or maybe more appropriately the 720 hour rule will help is all understand things a little better.
I took my guys to Kelowna BC for golfing team building this weekend, flew them there but I drove by myself there from Calgary on Thursday and took 12 hours instead of 7, listening to music and taking lots of detours and stops.
Loved the time alone, no cell signal for most of it.
Sanity break.
This morning on the return I listened into Almost Hitler (CNN) and Trump is amazing (Fox), talk about two solitudes.
Combining them, it was the most amazing military operation in decades that unfortunately kills us all, a la WW3.
A good reminder about the 72 hour rule. But I can't help but notice this slight contrast in leadership styles. Biden to Putin: "Don't" (wait, maybe I should add an exclamation as in "Don't!"). Trump to Khamenei: "60 days".
I've always subscribed to the "wait and see" attitude, along with the "wait for all the facts before forming an opinion (ala Saint George Floyd)".
I initially read that as "foaming an opinion".
Actually, I think that is correct. Americans foam their opinions.
Saint George Floyd is the patron saint of all the "United Church(es) of Christ" here in New Hampshire. The good ladies of the Churches had a quilting bee, and made a lovely display of George Floyd Memorial quilts, which they proudly showed to the public on Martin Luther King Day....when I went to see the exhibit, they called the cops on me, for no reason!....
This level of social lunacy, to me, is evidence FOR the thesis of this report....
"A nuclear-armed Iran is a threat to its Arab neighbors, as well as to Israel, and my bet would be that this action was discussed and welcomed all over the Middle East. As a first guess, I suspect that many discussions are going on around the Gulf that we don’t know about."
If this is the case, those governments need to speak up loudly and clearly so everybody can hear them.
I think they did. When Iran was asking for their outrage at the bombing from Israel, their silence was deafening!
No it’s all the JOOOZE lol
THE JOOZE CONTROL US AND EVERYTHING
The Israelis, often conflated with Jews (not the same) don’t control the Knesset.
The JOOOZE don’t control anything bigger in America than a Brownstone, and some retirement communities.
The Arab countries were threatened by Iran, and are happy to see the threat go away. They are also traditional rivals with Iran, in culture--Semitic Arabs vs. Indo-European Persians--and in religion, the Arab Sunnis vs. Persian Shi'as. In spite of all that, Arabs and Persians are fellow Muslims, and there is a cultural and religious principle that Muslims must maintain solidarity against "infidels." So it would not be a shock for them to be privately pleased but publicly silent.
Also they all feel obliged to dunk on Israel as often as they can.
What? The Middle East doesn’t exist or govern for media benefit.
The government that does do so probably regrets the necessity.
Then again they’re America’s ally, to their misfortune and near doom more than once (1973, 2023).
However yes The King of Saudi Arabia said publicly that if Iran gets the bomb, Saudi Arabia has to get the bomb. Etc.
Also the Arabs and the Persians have never gotten along, although probably they didn’t mind the Shah.
The real world isn’t a Simulation.
Governments loudly declaring their support for our action isn't for media benefit.
Oh? Who’s benefiting? You? Very well contact these governments consulates near you.
Yes, the American people benefit by knowing our actions were supported by the world and not based on Israel's decision to enter into a mission they knew they couldn't finish.
What American people?
We wait on the world?
It doesn’t wait on us.
The world is self interested - fine.
It also respects strength.
We 🇺🇸 have a long relationship with Iran from Suez through the fall of the Shah (1956-1979) and our alliance with Israel doesn’t begin until after the 1967 war. As Iran’s government made its justification for existence from the start until now to oppose America-the Great Satan- they’ve been attacking us for decades. Last night was a rare instance of us shooting back.
Had the Mullahs abandoned their pursuit of Israel and terrorism in general they’d have the bomb by now.
We are simply availing ourselves of an opportunity Iran created and demanded by backing HAMAS, then having its other proxies in Lebanon and Yemen attack Israel and shipping in the red sea. Its proxies in Syria and Iraq attacked our soldiers in Jordan at Tower 22. We can go on.
We would need to shoot back if Israel didn’t exist.
As it happens Israel is destroying Iran’s capabilities to make war against Israel and we’re taking the opportunity to destroy or cripple Iran’s nuclear program.
Israel?
Israel’s greatest gains BTW are by 1967, BEFORE they became our ally. Have a look at the maps. Israel has paid since 1973 in Blood and Land for their alliance, most of our “allies” never survived so long.
We are acting as usual for ourselves, that the timing lines up with Israel is true.
Also true- we are both reacting to Iran’s actions.
We shouldn't have been screwing around in Iran with the UK on behalf of BP in the 50s, but that's ancient history at this point.
You (and many others) were not paying attention. Don’t look where the puck IS, but where it is supposed to go.
I am aware of my cryptic thoughts expressed at times herein madam, but your hockey 🏒 metaphor defeats me.
Pardon the question;
Where was the puck supposed to go?
No, they don’t. Surprise is the most effective tactic. Ask the Greeks and Japanese.
This was hardly unexpected.
It was 61 days on June 13th, per Trump on his 60 day warning.
The International Atomic Energy Agency has the most relevant authority here, right?
Two of the statements it's offered recently:
https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressreleases/update-on-developments-in-iran
https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/statements/iaea-director-general-grossis-statement-to-unsc-on-situation-in-iran-20-june-2025
No, it is not relevant.
Nor authority.
Authority is force.
The UN is Farce, and our 🇺🇸 farce which is why it’s in New York.
Sorry.
Sometimes the mask has to slip if the matter is too pressing, it is…
In our defense we’ve always been much softer and farther away than the alternatives before us, and certainly what will come after us. Now that we can talk about this, the New Dealers had the most brilliant touch, the Common Market ~ EC ~ EU was so soft and subtle, the second greatest story since the … yes the Virgin Jean Monet was visited by the Archangel George, who said you shall birth a common market *conceived without sin* ..
The Eurozone believes that the French and Germans set the conditions of the long peace… being the victors of WW2 and all.
Rubio said that there was much support in the ME for Trumps action against Iran. But he said for political reasons the support is given behind the scenes while saying the opposite publicly. And he then shrugged 🤷♂️
Except this has been true for last several decades if not forever.
🙌 That sure would be nice, wouldn't it?
Shoot, Chris, you stumped me with your “…the dumbest publication in America”…I mean, there are soooo many that could qualify for that honor!
Chris, you have so completely and accurately nailed the situation, that there is just nothing more to say at this moment.
I would have been sorely disappointed if Trump had bombed Iran ON BEHALF of Israel. But, in fact, Trump did so on behalf of the USA. Dems rely on the amnesia (stupidity) of the American people- but the joke is on them. It is clear to Trump supporters that, once again, Trump is fulfilling his promise to the people- no nukes for Iran. And the last one who should be surprised is Iran. Trump told them over and over again, “no nukes”. He told them they could do it the hard way or the easy way and they chose the hard way. KA-BOOM! I expect nothing less than this kind of decisive action from my President. Makes me proud. We finally have a President who is fulfilling his promises to the American people- and the world.
Never worship any individual politician. It skews your perspective. You sound as if you adore him.
Not picking up any worship vibes myself.
Harsh. Inaccurate too, from my reading of her comment.
To be proud of your president is to worship? Kamala supporters--take note! ("You're in the wrong meeting," she said when an audience member openly praised the One Who is eligible to receive true worship.)
If you wish to rebut the argument, provide an argument.
I was never infantry, but all leadership courses in the army are taught via the infantry model. By that I mean, the kinesthetic application of the learning principles are accomplished by rotating leadership positions as a squad leader, platoon, sergeant/platoon leader, first sergeant/company Commander/regimental S3 XO commander…
So I say this as no infantryman like Chris, but more as a generic Army vet:
Take a knee; drink water; weapons out.
This is what you say during a tactical pause/rest during a tactical movement to contact as a squad, platoon, company.
There are so many implied and specified messages in those three short commands.
Take a knee. Rest. But it’s an active rest. Similar to how Gideon’s final hundred soldiers chose to drink from the river. It is rest, but do not sleep. The mission is not over.
Drink water. Always hydrate. For our vehicles, we conducted daily weekly monthly and quarterly “preventive maintenance checks and services”, PMCS is the shortened verb acronym we always say.
Drink water implies constantly conduct PMCS on your primary vehicle, your body. Take responsibility. Never let yourself run out of fuel. It is your responsibility to take care of you.
Weapons out. Tactically a formation move into a circle during one of these pauses/rests. Weapons out means there’s 360° coverage. We are in a non-permissive, hostile environment. Keep your eyes open. Don’t let down your guard.
Unlike the “high anxiety, hummingbird high hover” Take a knee, drink water, weapons out is a healthy response. It lowers blood pressure, but does not ignore the obvious.
This is how I interpret Chris’s “72 hour rule or wait a week rule.
So much of our discourse in this nation would improve if we all chose to initially follow these guidelines.
One problem is that anger has such energy. Self righteousness disguises its poison with a false sense of energy. It’s stolen energy, it steals from our ability to heal and recuperate.
bsn
Check out Jeff Childers post today:
https://open.substack.com/pub/coffeeandcovid/p/bomb-iran-sunday-june-22-2025-c-and?r=h55li&utm_medium=ios
so if the info jeff c passed along is accurate, US intel was watching the satellite which showed the iranians moving all their stuff out of the nuke site, and...waited til the trucks had taken all of it?
starting to look more and more like a b movie to me
I sense complexity and careful escalation. Regardless of any evacuation at Fordow, destroying the nuclear sites stops the bomb program. It takes a lot of highly specialized engineering to turn enriched uranium into a nuclear bomb, but their top scientists are dead and their skies are controlled by Israel and the US. The trucks were probably tracked.
TL;DR: Trump got what he wanted (no Iran nukes), and without making a mess by blowing up the uranium.
who would they nuke? israel? mushroom cloud over tel aviv hits teheran in a couple of days
True, but they are fanatics and Twelvers, so they might consider that acceptable.
Not only waited for the trucks to be loaded & personnel removed, but Trump had Iran notified ahead of time of the attack coming so they could remove the uranium / nuclear stuff in order to avoid any contamination from the blast.
I was going to ask if you’d read his column this morning, sounded just like his theory.
I start every day with a cup of coffee and Jeff Childers!
Me too!
so if the info jeff c passed along is accurate, US intel was watching the satellite whichi showed the iranians moving all their stuff out of the nuke site, and...waited til the trucks had taken all of it?
starting to look more and more like a b movie to me
It's difficult to form an intelligent and informed opinion on anything related to global events when we're raised like mushrooms... kept in the dark and fed shit wrt our respective governments's motives and intensions. All I know is that I am sick and tired and fed up with constant war, and I'm beginning to believe that the greater majority of the world's governments are in collusion with each other in an effort to enforce world domination and the ultimate enslavement of humanity... There!~ I said it!
Orwell "1984"
"War is Peace"... or at least that's what they want us to believe.
When a dependable BDA is seen, I'll believe it. Till then, we bombed Iran, probably set their nuke fever dream back quite a bit. If the destruction is as complete as is being reported (by those who know nothing more than you and me) the hurrah! Let Israel finish the job. We're done!
Lol, "we're done"
Good lord, if some country halfway around the world attacked your country and stopped, you'd think it's all okay?
American exceptionalism is the largest scourge in the world at this point. The list of casualties is incredibly wrong.
That country has been attacking the USA mostly by transparent proxies for 46 years, and bought this on themselves.
FFS if ARGENTINA bombed Iran they’d be justified for the Buenas Aires bombings in the 90s.
First of all, bullshit. No data in your contention.
Secondly, the US overthrew a government and continued to fk with Iran for decades, and that's bringing it on themselves?
The US is also master of starting shit and then playing the victim. Which you're doing here. Good lord with you people.
I think you’re conflating Iran the country with their leadership and with Islam as a whole. I doubt if most Iranian citizens have a grudge against the US for supporting a coup in 1953. However, the Muslim fanatics currently running Iran have grudges against the US, Israel, Jews, Christianity, and Western civilization as a whole which long predates any US action.
No data? Get fucked. Lol.
Occam’s anus. 👋🏻
"That country has been attacking the USA mostly by transparent proxies for 46 years...."
And vice versa.
Understanding your adversary is the first rule of an intelligent warrior.
America, and American proxies, have been attacking Iran longer than they've been attacking us.
At least 72 years, since Kermit Roosevelt and the CIA overthrew Iran's elected prime minister, Mohammad Mosaddeg, in 1953:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat
Later, of course, we and the Israelis schooled the Shah's secret police, the SAVAK, on the most exceptionally effective torture techniques.
And West Asian memories are long and deep.
I forgot to mention the Iran-Iraq War of 1980-1988, that started with Iraq invading Iran. Saddam Hussein first rose to power in a six-man CIA-backed squad to assassinate the then prime minister of Iraq, and in the Iran-Iraq War two decades later, the U.S. backed Iraq despite it's use of chemical weapons. Iran's military dead are estimated to be somewhere between 200,000 and 600,000.
Wikipedia:
"During the Iran–Iraq War, which began with the Iraqi invasion of Iran on 22 September 1980, the United States adopted a policy of providing support to Iraq in the form of several billion dollars' worth of economic aid, dual-use technology, intelligence sharing (e.g., IMINT), and special operations training.[1] This U.S. support, along with support from most of the Arab world, proved vital in helping Iraq sustain military operations against Iran.[2] The documented sale of dual-use technology, with one notable example being Iraq's acquisition of 45 Bell helicopters in 1985,[3][4] was effectively a workaround for a ban on direct arms transfers; U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East dictated that Iraq was a state sponsor of terrorism because of the Iraqi government's historical ties with groups like the Palestinian Liberation Front and the Abu Nidal Organization, among others.[5] However, this designation was removed in 1982 to facilitate broader support for the Iraqis as the conflict dragged on in Iran's favor."
Kent - the first attack was invading our embassy.
(Despite many talks prior to Khomeini’s return, and Carter reaching out prior).
Then we have The Beirut Bombings.
Then…
So exactly when are you starting the clock?
The clock starts on their time. We stepped into millenia-old regional and intra-faith conflicts. We don't get to dictate what others know and remember, nor can we control their vendettas.
We are just another Christian meddler to them--they've seen centuries of meddling in their affairs.
In the last 125 years, they've been buffeted by waves of European colonizers, interlopers, meddlers, manipulators. They've had their oil stolen, borders moved, and more.
CB's comment above provided details of the modern-era meddling and killing that the US itself orchestrated. Might want to review that article for a bit of context:
"At least 72 years, since Kermit Roosevelt and the CIA overthrew Iran's elected prime minister, Mohammad Mosaddeg, in 1953:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat
Later, of course, we and the Israelis schooled the Shah's secret police, the SAVAK, on the most exceptionally effective torture techniques."
That was what was stuck in the craw of the revolutionaries who overthrew the Shah and threw out his foreign sponsors--the USA. The coup we planned and supported, that took away the first taste of self-rule they'd had in a long time. Religion was the rallying point for the action.
Just because we're ignorant of history doesn't make it go away. The peoples that we have mistreated don't forget, even if we do.
The revolutionaries' seizing our embassy was pay-back for America's running a coup against their first elected government.
And so it goes.
That’s nice. If only I couldn’t read their rather long and bloody history myself. But I have.
Now they have been attacking in every direction for decades, and killed thousands of Americans, and that’s all.
And DGAF, they aren’t victims, even if they’re brown and not Christian.
Interesting to bring up Mossadegh and the “coup” against their “elected” government.
No one was more instrumental in bringing down “elected “ (by 153 total votes in Parliament, he was simply the head of Parliament) than the landowner Shia clerics.
Except perhaps the Shah.
That the British acted in their interests and the Americans nodded is trifling compared to the resentment to Mossadegh from within.
Interesting Christian angle too, as this was at no point a factor in all of recorded history in Iran.
Ever.
BYE, you paplum wiki spouter.
If you believe American exceptionalism is a curse then you're naïve as well as wrong. There isn't a country on the planet whose people don't believe themselves exceptional. The problem for you and for them is the US actually is exceptional.
As for your prattle about Iran being bombed, they will never stop trying to destroy the Great and Little Satan, and we may have to kick their asses again. Their belief is if we won't convert to Islam we should die. I'm a Christian and have no interest in becoming Muslim, and in fact have no problem with responding to Iran's attacks and the attacks of their proxies just as we did last night.
At some point when someone fools around, they need to find out. With what little exposure I've had to you in three sentences, I assume you'd sing kumbaya and allow whatever Sharia law requires to be done to you. I won't.
okay boomer.
Perhaps people just don't believe in america wantonly killing innocents in the name of global power.
Your little 'boomer' slur tells us all quite a bit about you. I'll leave it there, with the hope that one day you mature.
You say that like a nuclear weapons facility worked to the benefit of the Iranian people. If North Korea bombed the Stanford Internet Observatory or Fauci's office, I'd mix a drink then dance on the patio surrounded by bluebirds and bunny rabbits.
I'm not worried about America. I'm worried Bibi wants regime change rather than just disarmament and is going to drag us into a quagmire.
Whatever. You and I have a pretty long history interacting with each other on this website, and this blog in particular. Typically we are in agreement.
Ok fair. Withdrawn.
Last point; Israel is a client. A weak one at that in terms of power re us, which is why their partisans here are so loud. AARP has power.
The very quiet big money foreign lobby are the Gulf Arabs. We went to war in 1991 for them. We tolerated years and years of a USS Liberty level death toll monthly in Iraq KNOWING they were in part funding it. We knew and ate it.
We overlooked 9/11 Saudis, probably fairly enough as they were in rebellion against the Saudis (of whom I am no fan). And so on.
And on.
Bibi is simply trying to survive as ALLY of America that until 5 months ago was deeply in bed with Iran.
A coup? Regime change?
The power dynamic is completely the opposite.
Cheers.
Y’all if you’re going to cut and paste trite aphorisms, I will not respond, except with Mute maybe.
“A Congress that wished to restrain presidential military action in the Middle East would probably start there, and they haven’t.”
🎯
If backcountry travel and camping provides you with so much common sense as the recommend that we should shut up and wait seven days, why don’t we impose that on politicians and the press – I would love to see how they sit around a circle, wondering how to light a camp fire without app to conjure up the myriad of permits and emission controls that compute the carbon footprint for their outdoor excursion. I am jealous of your ability to multitask with such an awesome freedom to enjoy the great outdoors. No doubt we will hear about the skirmishes of the pro- and anti-bomb droppers among the conservatives that is sure to break up the MAGA movement. Your reminder of the contradictions and utter ignorance of past misadventures is priceless.
Chris, I agree with your sentiments completely. I’ve been reading that it’s all posturing because Iran moved all their uranium a few days before the attack and that a “deal” was done. USA bombs Iran, Iran issues a few bombs of their own and then a peace deal is struck. Nobody loses face. Only time will tell if there’s been wheeling dealing going on that no one is privy to except the muckety mucks. For now, everybody needs to just chill out for a few days.
If they moved the material, we're in the same position that demanded we bomb in the first place.
Having the material that hasn’t been enriched and not having the equipment anymore to enrich it may make it way less concerning? Maybe? But what the heck do I know? I’m just an old lady rancher.
The CIA is not on our side. That’s one thing I’m sure of.
Maybe. But they built the first site 'in secret' over the course of 6 years, and they've had more than enough time to try again.
https://time.com/archive/6948232/cia-knew-about-irans-secret-nuclear-plant-long-before-disclosure/
That was an analysis I heard today. The less-enriched uranium isn’t good for much of anything (except as fuel? Does Iran have nuclear power plants?) without the centrifuges to enrich it further.
And it seems to me that waiting till the uranium was gone also reduced the risk of collateral damage (one might even say “fallout”) from scattering uranium dust and shrapnel around the region, like a dirty bomb.
Is it possible to have moved the material in the vehicles shown?
I am no radiation/nuclear expert, but those vehicles looked capable of moving men and some materials (documents) - not radio-active or bulk (centrifuges) equipment/supplies.
I have zero idea about the logistics, but watchdogs are also saying no radiation in the area.
Having an evacuation plan for your material seems pretty high on the list if you're Iran, though.
Maybe no radiation emitted due to being buried under rubble... previously in open air caverns ...........
A possibility for sure. We'll know more very soon.
Yep! Just like you advised .... wait and see! 😁
The show is for us peasants.
Along with the 14 GBU-57's at the Uranium enrichment (and possibly bomb making(?)) facilities, several dozen (I've heard 30-60) cruise missiles where launched at surface targets. Where these trucks hauling equipment the targets? There has been little discussion of what the cruise missile targets were and I doubt they were all targeting air defense systems.
As always the 72 hour, or maybe more appropriately the 720 hour rule will help is all understand things a little better.
Envy you your trip Chris.
I took my guys to Kelowna BC for golfing team building this weekend, flew them there but I drove by myself there from Calgary on Thursday and took 12 hours instead of 7, listening to music and taking lots of detours and stops.
Loved the time alone, no cell signal for most of it.
Sanity break.
This morning on the return I listened into Almost Hitler (CNN) and Trump is amazing (Fox), talk about two solitudes.
Combining them, it was the most amazing military operation in decades that unfortunately kills us all, a la WW3.
Why does anyone still listen to Chuck Schumer? The man can't even grill a cheeseburger.
God bless you Vermont!
A good reminder about the 72 hour rule. But I can't help but notice this slight contrast in leadership styles. Biden to Putin: "Don't" (wait, maybe I should add an exclamation as in "Don't!"). Trump to Khamenei: "60 days".
thank you for the sane assessment...'x' is a madhouse from all sides