She should have just said, "He got confused and made a mistake." Or, "The elderly can sense dead people in the room. Her spirit must have been present."
It is hard, mind-numbing work to collect incidents like this and document them. But it is important to counter each one and keep a record so we are not overwhelmed with despair and give up.
Reminds me of what Democratic Nebraska Senator Bob Kerry said at the time about Bill Clinton: "Bill Clinton is an unusually good liar, unusually good."
You nailed it. It's one thing when you know you're being lied to. It's another when they insult your intelligence by not even bothering to make the lie remotely believable -- or, as is the case with so many of their lies about their ever-changing narrative, when they can't even bother to even attempt to make their lies today remotely consistent with the lies they told yesterday. If you're going to lie to me while you screw up the economy and drag us into World War III over some banana republic where your family has lots of crooked business deals, okay, but why do you have to add insult to injury by talking to us like we're retarded schoolchildren? To quote the Bamboozler in Chief, "C'mon, man!"
It would have been more believable if she said “Our president knows who is dead and who is alive. Please people. Cut it out. He was asking where Jackie is in the afterlife. “
Her body language tells me that she well knows that she is lying through her teeth - always looking like she is searching for that darn piece of paper with the words that she has been told it is her duty to spew forth. I think she clearly knows that she was an intersectionality hire (woman-check; immigrant-check; LBGTQ+-check; BIPOC-check), and that as long as she toes the line, she can ride that gravy train as long as she likes. Thing is that I think she loves the gravy but has realized just how ridiculous and off the rails the Crazy Train is, which is why she simply cannot look anyone in the eye when she speaks.
I think this is a really under-explored aspect of what I am currently calling, for lack of better term, COVID mania. That is, the over-the-top gaslighting of the public. Perhaps it is an aspect of the process of mass formation, as described by Mattias Desmet.
It seems to take the form of 'You might have suspected we were lying to you yesterday, but here's an even wilder claim that we will tell you with a straight face. And of course, you will believe it, because if you don't, you're some kind of MAGA conspiracy theorist.'
The phenomenon seems to be essential to the ongoing sub-scams stemming from COVID in recent years.
It's a category error to evaluate political statements using a 'truth/lie' taxonomy.
Harry Frankfurt nailed it with an essay that he wrote in 1986 and turned into a little pamphlet-sized book in 2005. "On Bullshit".
Frankfurt insists that **bullshitting** is very distinct from **lying** - in that the **bullshitter** is completely unconcerned about what the truth actually is, whereas the **liar** knows and is trying to misdirect.
This excerpt from p16 gives the gist:
>>> Telling a lie is an act with a sharp focus. It is designed to insert a particular falsehood at a specific point in a set or system of beliefs, in order to avoid the consequences of having that point occupied by the truth. This requires a degree of craftsmanship, in which the teller of the lie submits to objective constraints imposed by what he takes to be the truth. The liar is inescapably concerned with truth-values. In order to invent a lie at all, he must think he knows what is true. And in order to invent an effective lie, he must design his falsehood under the guidance of that truth.
On the other hand, a person who undertakes to bullshit his way through has much more freedom. His focus is panoramic rather than particular. He does not limit himself to inserting a certain falsehood at a specific point, and thus he is not constrained by the truths surrounding that point or intersecting it. He is prepared to fake the context as well, so far as need requires. This freedom from the constraints to
which the liar must submit does not necessarily mean, of course, that his task is easier than the task of the liar. But the mode of creativity upon which it relies is less analytical and less deliberative than that which is mobilized in lying <<<
and p17:
>>> A person who lies is thereby responding to the truth, and he is to that extent respectful of it. When an honest man speaks, he says only what he believes to be true; and for the liar, it is correspondingly indispensable that he considers his statements to be false. For the bullshitter, however, all these bets are off: he is neither on the side of the true nor on the side of the false. His eye is not on the facts at all, as the eyes of the honest man and of the liar are, except insofar as they may be pertinent to his interest in
getting away with what he says. He does not care whether the things he says describe reality correctly. He just picks them out, or makes them up, to suit his purpose.
It's 20 pages; some of it's a bit repetitive, but the kernel of the argument is unassailable.
And once you know that they're ALL bullshitting, literally every time they open their mouths... the weight lifts.
You need to KNOW that there's no epistemic effort being made in their head-meat: it's just trying to say things that move the ball upfield. They don't even care whether or not it will move the chains (i.e., result in the rhetorical equivalent of a first down).
So Karine Jean-Pierre is no good at that either: she's embarrassed. Trump, Clinton and Obama though: those guys could bullshit up a storm... not a flicker of conscience ever passed across their faces. Dubya couldn't **not smirk**, so routinely gave the game away.
>>>There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.<<<
The lies being used these days are not an attempt to appease, explain or justify anything. Or help make people like the liners. They are words to fill the air from people who don’t care of you know the truth or not and who also know that no one is going to stop them. They can say the moon made them do it and will keep on doing what the moon made them do. Whether you believe it or not. “Belief” used to be important to politicians. It no longer is.
She should have just said, "He got confused and made a mistake." Or, "The elderly can sense dead people in the room. Her spirit must have been present."
60 million Americans voted for Biden.
(82 million officially).
Our problem isn’t with Biden, or the Politicians.
Our problem is with their voters.
They already accepted what was said about Trump- your problem isn’t with Trump but his voters.
The Elites and Democrats proceeded on that basis ala riots, Covid, Vaccines, shutdowns, masks, mass electoral fraud, Troops, FBI raids and arrests.
What is needed is reciprocity.
That tens of millions put a dementia patient surrounded by 3d string sociopaths is the problem, not the dementia patient.
The rest of us need to come to grips with that, they made their choices and we’d better make ours.
To show sympathy to my best friend, who lost his mom and dad young, I always say: “Hey Jeremy, where’s your mom and dad?”
When I do this Jeremy knows his parents are on my mind. I’m such a good person.
It is hard, mind-numbing work to collect incidents like this and document them. But it is important to counter each one and keep a record so we are not overwhelmed with despair and give up.
Thanks, Chris.
Reminds me of what Democratic Nebraska Senator Bob Kerry said at the time about Bill Clinton: "Bill Clinton is an unusually good liar, unusually good."
All politicians lie but most do it like Clinton did. These people don’t even try. Why should they? We’re all just a bunch of ignorant people.
You nailed it. It's one thing when you know you're being lied to. It's another when they insult your intelligence by not even bothering to make the lie remotely believable -- or, as is the case with so many of their lies about their ever-changing narrative, when they can't even bother to even attempt to make their lies today remotely consistent with the lies they told yesterday. If you're going to lie to me while you screw up the economy and drag us into World War III over some banana republic where your family has lots of crooked business deals, okay, but why do you have to add insult to injury by talking to us like we're retarded schoolchildren? To quote the Bamboozler in Chief, "C'mon, man!"
It would have been more believable if she said “Our president knows who is dead and who is alive. Please people. Cut it out. He was asking where Jackie is in the afterlife. “
Her body language tells me that she well knows that she is lying through her teeth - always looking like she is searching for that darn piece of paper with the words that she has been told it is her duty to spew forth. I think she clearly knows that she was an intersectionality hire (woman-check; immigrant-check; LBGTQ+-check; BIPOC-check), and that as long as she toes the line, she can ride that gravy train as long as she likes. Thing is that I think she loves the gravy but has realized just how ridiculous and off the rails the Crazy Train is, which is why she simply cannot look anyone in the eye when she speaks.
I think this is a really under-explored aspect of what I am currently calling, for lack of better term, COVID mania. That is, the over-the-top gaslighting of the public. Perhaps it is an aspect of the process of mass formation, as described by Mattias Desmet.
It seems to take the form of 'You might have suspected we were lying to you yesterday, but here's an even wilder claim that we will tell you with a straight face. And of course, you will believe it, because if you don't, you're some kind of MAGA conspiracy theorist.'
The phenomenon seems to be essential to the ongoing sub-scams stemming from COVID in recent years.
It's a category error to evaluate political statements using a 'truth/lie' taxonomy.
Harry Frankfurt nailed it with an essay that he wrote in 1986 and turned into a little pamphlet-sized book in 2005. "On Bullshit".
Frankfurt insists that **bullshitting** is very distinct from **lying** - in that the **bullshitter** is completely unconcerned about what the truth actually is, whereas the **liar** knows and is trying to misdirect.
This excerpt from p16 gives the gist:
>>> Telling a lie is an act with a sharp focus. It is designed to insert a particular falsehood at a specific point in a set or system of beliefs, in order to avoid the consequences of having that point occupied by the truth. This requires a degree of craftsmanship, in which the teller of the lie submits to objective constraints imposed by what he takes to be the truth. The liar is inescapably concerned with truth-values. In order to invent a lie at all, he must think he knows what is true. And in order to invent an effective lie, he must design his falsehood under the guidance of that truth.
On the other hand, a person who undertakes to bullshit his way through has much more freedom. His focus is panoramic rather than particular. He does not limit himself to inserting a certain falsehood at a specific point, and thus he is not constrained by the truths surrounding that point or intersecting it. He is prepared to fake the context as well, so far as need requires. This freedom from the constraints to
which the liar must submit does not necessarily mean, of course, that his task is easier than the task of the liar. But the mode of creativity upon which it relies is less analytical and less deliberative than that which is mobilized in lying <<<
and p17:
>>> A person who lies is thereby responding to the truth, and he is to that extent respectful of it. When an honest man speaks, he says only what he believes to be true; and for the liar, it is correspondingly indispensable that he considers his statements to be false. For the bullshitter, however, all these bets are off: he is neither on the side of the true nor on the side of the false. His eye is not on the facts at all, as the eyes of the honest man and of the liar are, except insofar as they may be pertinent to his interest in
getting away with what he says. He does not care whether the things he says describe reality correctly. He just picks them out, or makes them up, to suit his purpose.
<<<
http://www2.csudh.edu/ccauthen/576f12/frankfurt__harry_-_on_bullshit.pdf
It's 20 pages; some of it's a bit repetitive, but the kernel of the argument is unassailable.
And once you know that they're ALL bullshitting, literally every time they open their mouths... the weight lifts.
You need to KNOW that there's no epistemic effort being made in their head-meat: it's just trying to say things that move the ball upfield. They don't even care whether or not it will move the chains (i.e., result in the rhetorical equivalent of a first down).
So Karine Jean-Pierre is no good at that either: she's embarrassed. Trump, Clinton and Obama though: those guys could bullshit up a storm... not a flicker of conscience ever passed across their faces. Dubya couldn't **not smirk**, so routinely gave the game away.
>>>There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.<<<
The lies being used these days are not an attempt to appease, explain or justify anything. Or help make people like the liners. They are words to fill the air from people who don’t care of you know the truth or not and who also know that no one is going to stop them. They can say the moon made them do it and will keep on doing what the moon made them do. Whether you believe it or not. “Belief” used to be important to politicians. It no longer is.
They know they are lying and they know we know they are lying. It's the brave new world.
And they have a complicit media that far from calling them out will actually try to help them get away with it.
And the rest of the clip where a reporter said, “well, John Lennon is often top of mind to me, but I don’t call out for him.” That was the best part.
I have long held that lying shows contempt towards those you are lying to.