We’re concentrating on the wrong people. None of these people had anything to do with development of the program.
Their mission wasn’t anything to do with public health. Their goal was to inject ineffective & dangerous materials into every man, woman & child they could coerce into it.
I mean, I think a public health director has a duty to understand what she's ordering people to do. "They don't know why," but they should. I had this discussion with my daughter's (former!) pediatrician, who assured me that Covid-19 is absolutely deadly for children and the vaccines are completely safe. She's not at the top of the food chain, but that's not good enough.
I’m not insulting doctors gratuitously, but most of those I’ve spoken to are simply not very bright.
Some are & I suspect they know very well something is wrong. They won’t have done any research, because they don’t want to know. The answer isn’t going to be professionally useful to them.
The kind of person who climbs greasy poles in local politics doesn’t do it out of a desire to serve.
It really doesn't take that much research to figure a lot of this out.
Like I am a total layperson and I was able to get out a calculator and crunch the numbers on the Pfizer trials, and just say, WTF?
And then I spent two weeks talking to a heavily ideological doctor and scientist on another Stack last summer, and she was still regurgitating "95% effective! Better than polio!"
Mark Crispin Miller talks in one of his latest interviews about one of his docs who still requires masks and thinks HE IS IMMUNE FROM THE VIRUS after getting jabbed.
Medical staff suffer from years & decades of trusting the CDC & NIH. Also often function via learned protocols. Then, periodically, the gov revises medical coding to reduce fraud, so doctors have to memorize large volumes of medical codes. And try to keep up with advances in their specialties. There's not a lot of time or energy left to maintain critical thinking skills, which tend to wither on the vine.
Well, as Dr Yeadon said, they aren't necessarily the smartest. I've had mixed experiences with them myself. Only 2 that were truly compassionate. The rest angry to abusive.
Dr. Yeadon, do you know what it would take for physicians to stop being a part of this situation? I’ve read about the various reasons they (with a few rare exceptions) are a part of the problem. Do you think it’s a lost cause, as most now are employed by big corporations, and controlled by the pharmaceutical industry? Plus I’m guessing most might have large student loan balances. I only see a functional medicine doctor, who runs her own clinic.
I don’t know, to be fair. I’m not an medical doctor & in any case I trained in a different country in an earlier era. I left university after seven years with a degree, a PhD, a years work experience & a modest positive bank balance!
This was very early 1980s in U.K. & I’d gone in as a “mature student”, meaning I’d been a taxpayer for years. So I got a small grant & had no tuition fees. I worked steadily all the years I was at university, serving in bars, fruit picking in summer, a few responsibilities at a postgraduate student & so on. I’d been independent minded anyway. I’m not sure I’d have gone if I’d unavoidably have finished with a terrifying debt. It’s like this in U.K. now, too. My kids left uni with debts, and I was lucky enough to be able to clear those debts (financially, it wasn’t smart, but I hated the idea they’d carry that around with them).
So….bottom line, I think you’re exactly right. The practice of medicine has been industrialised & mechanised by hospitals forming groups, really large businesses.
These businesses negotiate fees & prices for everything including insurance. Now the hospital can require doctors to follow protocols, which may be an important basis of risk assessment by the insurance companies.
Everyone has roped everybody else down. It must be incredibly frustrating & also knock the independent thought out of many young & mid career docs.
I know how I behave when placed in a position where following the wrong thing is required. I argue. If I lose, I quit. I’ve done it twice, once when I was sole earner & we had a tiny baby. It wasn’t a popular decision and it knocked my career back five years. But I knew if I’d stayed for the ££ & abandoned my principles, my real scientific career was over. I had been invited to look the other way & not notice some serious failings of a program in my department.
Half of me has some sympathy for a hugely indebted doctor.
But not much, in truth.
The employer does not want to fire you. Its messy & often involves a compromise agreement, sometimes even a payoff.
So what I’d expect a doctor to do is network & alliance build. Find others like you. Once you’ve a critical mass of physicians, you can calmly advise management what as a group you’ve determined is in the best interests of your patients, medicine & the wider reputation of your hospitals.
They wouldn’t fire a great group of doctors.
They rely on divide & rule. It’s worked. It says all sorts of bad things.
It’s exactly the same in U.K. & the same result. Doctors oversaw murderous treatment pathways which led inevitably to avoidable deaths.
Almost no one spoke out, and those who did were “struck off” (the medical register) or suspended & intimidated by an enquiry. Those who would not shut up despite this punishment were selected for humiliation by media. Smears & “hit pieces” written & planted in media. Then cancelled: pushed out of the media spotlight & banned from all main online platforms.
I put it to the public to note that the seniormost doctors, late 50s plus, had long ago cleared their debts & made enough money to retire if they had to, without destroying their family’s circumstances.
In U.K., to my knowledge, virtually no doctor who was making their living practising medicine said a peep. They’ve still not. More than disappointing.
There is a decent handful of recently retired & brave doctors who’ve spoken out & still are.
I was semi retired & beholden to nobody for anything, so it wasn’t hard to decide to jump in. I was still taken aback by the violence & obvious coordination of the personal attacks.
No apologies needed; that wasn’t a ramble! I very much appreciate you taking the time to respond, and I love getting your perspective. I also had a bit of sympathy regarding physicians’ difficult situations, but that sympathy dissolves when I see the results of their compliance and silence (folks suffering and dying!). You’d think that would make it hard for them to sleep at night, more so than concern over their income. But I’m not in their shoes. And thanks for mentioning the complicity of the too-powerful medical insurance industry and the pharmaceutical industry, which does indeed seem to decide and control what is now labeled ‘standard of care’ here in the USA. And we know why. For many years now, virtually any medical care that I believe is helpful to me, isn’t covered by insurance. Now that I’m on Medicare (I’m 65), and I pay for Part B coverage plus a Medicare supplement, I feel those hundreds of dollars/month are not a good value. My daughter is a registered nurse in a hospital and, yes, she has large student debt, but she did refuse the Covid19 shots. She barely managed to not get fired (religious exemption), but what an ordeal! And such harassment. She still has to mask throughout her shift, but jabbed nurses don’t. The masking has caused her to have respiratory illnesses. Makes me angry. I admire you for your ethics and morals. Thank you.
My mother's doctor really leaned on her to get the jab. On her previous visit, he had assured her it was safe; she said, "no thanks." This visit, he was red-in-the-face mad because she kept refusing. He didn't yell at her, but it was close. She's 85, not brain-dead.
Good point. The only problem is that the next doctor will likely be the same. Unless you visit one who doesn’t work for a big corporation, and doesn’t accept insurance.
As u know, there are a set of beliefs that GOOD people have, and a set of beliefs that BAD people have, and facts are mostly irrelevant and secondary.
if u want to remain a member in good standing of Team Good and maintain your perks and status and hopefully pass that status onto your children, you will mouth all the proper pieties of Team Good, and always attack and denounce the beliefs of Team Bad.
You wouldn't want to be kicked off Team Good after all those years of bootlicking and ladder climbing, would you?
49% of doctors graduated in the bottom of their class. Never take anything at face value, but especially that which affects you, your health or that of your loved ones.
That has become the most dangerous sentiment one can hold. It used to be patriotism but love of doctors now surpasses patriotism. The god of medical science is the most blood thirsty of all gods, and the worshipers are the most brainwashed sort of religious adherents.
It was a huge victory for public health, no doubt...mid level bureaucrats and obscure academics and the like suddenly became minor celebrities, and gained power that they never dreamed of. They certainly don’t want to give it up. So from their perspective, it’s been great. Those pesky commoners? Pay them no mind! We don’t even have to hide it anymore.
See also the MASSIVE funding of homelessness programs in Los Angeles, which led to the creation of an endless series of new programs and departments. Oh, and also to far more homelessness.
Yes of course. Subsidizing something always results in the production of more of that thing. But fortunately for those employed by the homeless complex, it’s a good living. They can also get together regularly and complement each other for being great people, certainly superior to cretins like you and me.
In Vermont the homeless seem to have permanent residency in hotels now. Tourists need to look elsewhere. Perhaps weary travelers can sleep in the parks?
Yes, but in an extremely impersonal sense, and only if it’s to their advantage. They’re always bleating about doing things for the people while seeming to hate most actual people.
Hence the reason I’ve always hated broadcasted volunteerism.
If you sincerely volunteer, I should have no clue about it. (And it sure as hell should not pop up on your college application or your CV if you expect to stay in the pool.)
Politics is Power and they deserve a Nobel Prize for Power.
Power at base is coercion.
We on the other hand deserve the Booby Prize for believing them and are now to be Awarded the Darwin prize for stupidity by being reduced by mass killoff.
At a not particularly deep level they know they are insane poseurs as they won’t allow themselves to be walked even a few steps down the path of inquiry.
OMG, Michele Kipke TAKES HER MASK OFF to praise Barbara Ferrer! The parody of this insane Covid Theatre-TM could not be more incredible. If this had all been in a novel or movie we would have said it was too crazy to be true.
"Mutual masturbation" is one of my favorite lines from a Counting Crows song, but it is so perfect here. You rock. Your intelligent sarcasm is the highlight of my day.
I mean, where does @ianmSC go from here when these morons are recreating his charts with zero irony?
I do have to admit, year three of this hysteria has become a pretty good black comedy. Blows away anything John Kennedy Toole might have come up with had he overcome his demons.
Wow. Great piece. We see the culmination of a slave class of government-educated serving government as the highest good. They've learned in school that their work is meaningful and all the pithy catch-phrases of the Left. They are NPCs - unthinking, unknowing, and firmly believing they do both, because they were taught that's what thinking and knowing looks like. This is why I speak on education - to emancipate parents and their children from this mentality. Playbook for Home Learning Conference this June. Samsorbo.com for more info. You are all invited. We can turn this all around with a minority - not a majority - of thinking, free people.
We’re concentrating on the wrong people. None of these people had anything to do with development of the program.
Their mission wasn’t anything to do with public health. Their goal was to inject ineffective & dangerous materials into every man, woman & child they could coerce into it.
They don’t know why.
They don’t know anything.
I mean, I think a public health director has a duty to understand what she's ordering people to do. "They don't know why," but they should. I had this discussion with my daughter's (former!) pediatrician, who assured me that Covid-19 is absolutely deadly for children and the vaccines are completely safe. She's not at the top of the food chain, but that's not good enough.
I’m not insulting doctors gratuitously, but most of those I’ve spoken to are simply not very bright.
Some are & I suspect they know very well something is wrong. They won’t have done any research, because they don’t want to know. The answer isn’t going to be professionally useful to them.
The kind of person who climbs greasy poles in local politics doesn’t do it out of a desire to serve.
It really doesn't take that much research to figure a lot of this out.
Like I am a total layperson and I was able to get out a calculator and crunch the numbers on the Pfizer trials, and just say, WTF?
And then I spent two weeks talking to a heavily ideological doctor and scientist on another Stack last summer, and she was still regurgitating "95% effective! Better than polio!"
Mark Crispin Miller talks in one of his latest interviews about one of his docs who still requires masks and thinks HE IS IMMUNE FROM THE VIRUS after getting jabbed.
Medical staff suffer from years & decades of trusting the CDC & NIH. Also often function via learned protocols. Then, periodically, the gov revises medical coding to reduce fraud, so doctors have to memorize large volumes of medical codes. And try to keep up with advances in their specialties. There's not a lot of time or energy left to maintain critical thinking skills, which tend to wither on the vine.
I just keep thinking of that silly meme, 'YOU HAD ONE JOB!'
Well, as Dr Yeadon said, they aren't necessarily the smartest. I've had mixed experiences with them myself. Only 2 that were truly compassionate. The rest angry to abusive.
Dr. Yeadon, do you know what it would take for physicians to stop being a part of this situation? I’ve read about the various reasons they (with a few rare exceptions) are a part of the problem. Do you think it’s a lost cause, as most now are employed by big corporations, and controlled by the pharmaceutical industry? Plus I’m guessing most might have large student loan balances. I only see a functional medicine doctor, who runs her own clinic.
I don’t know, to be fair. I’m not an medical doctor & in any case I trained in a different country in an earlier era. I left university after seven years with a degree, a PhD, a years work experience & a modest positive bank balance!
This was very early 1980s in U.K. & I’d gone in as a “mature student”, meaning I’d been a taxpayer for years. So I got a small grant & had no tuition fees. I worked steadily all the years I was at university, serving in bars, fruit picking in summer, a few responsibilities at a postgraduate student & so on. I’d been independent minded anyway. I’m not sure I’d have gone if I’d unavoidably have finished with a terrifying debt. It’s like this in U.K. now, too. My kids left uni with debts, and I was lucky enough to be able to clear those debts (financially, it wasn’t smart, but I hated the idea they’d carry that around with them).
So….bottom line, I think you’re exactly right. The practice of medicine has been industrialised & mechanised by hospitals forming groups, really large businesses.
These businesses negotiate fees & prices for everything including insurance. Now the hospital can require doctors to follow protocols, which may be an important basis of risk assessment by the insurance companies.
Everyone has roped everybody else down. It must be incredibly frustrating & also knock the independent thought out of many young & mid career docs.
I know how I behave when placed in a position where following the wrong thing is required. I argue. If I lose, I quit. I’ve done it twice, once when I was sole earner & we had a tiny baby. It wasn’t a popular decision and it knocked my career back five years. But I knew if I’d stayed for the ££ & abandoned my principles, my real scientific career was over. I had been invited to look the other way & not notice some serious failings of a program in my department.
Half of me has some sympathy for a hugely indebted doctor.
But not much, in truth.
The employer does not want to fire you. Its messy & often involves a compromise agreement, sometimes even a payoff.
So what I’d expect a doctor to do is network & alliance build. Find others like you. Once you’ve a critical mass of physicians, you can calmly advise management what as a group you’ve determined is in the best interests of your patients, medicine & the wider reputation of your hospitals.
They wouldn’t fire a great group of doctors.
They rely on divide & rule. It’s worked. It says all sorts of bad things.
It’s exactly the same in U.K. & the same result. Doctors oversaw murderous treatment pathways which led inevitably to avoidable deaths.
Almost no one spoke out, and those who did were “struck off” (the medical register) or suspended & intimidated by an enquiry. Those who would not shut up despite this punishment were selected for humiliation by media. Smears & “hit pieces” written & planted in media. Then cancelled: pushed out of the media spotlight & banned from all main online platforms.
I put it to the public to note that the seniormost doctors, late 50s plus, had long ago cleared their debts & made enough money to retire if they had to, without destroying their family’s circumstances.
In U.K., to my knowledge, virtually no doctor who was making their living practising medicine said a peep. They’ve still not. More than disappointing.
There is a decent handful of recently retired & brave doctors who’ve spoken out & still are.
I was semi retired & beholden to nobody for anything, so it wasn’t hard to decide to jump in. I was still taken aback by the violence & obvious coordination of the personal attacks.
Apologies for the ramble.
No apologies needed; that wasn’t a ramble! I very much appreciate you taking the time to respond, and I love getting your perspective. I also had a bit of sympathy regarding physicians’ difficult situations, but that sympathy dissolves when I see the results of their compliance and silence (folks suffering and dying!). You’d think that would make it hard for them to sleep at night, more so than concern over their income. But I’m not in their shoes. And thanks for mentioning the complicity of the too-powerful medical insurance industry and the pharmaceutical industry, which does indeed seem to decide and control what is now labeled ‘standard of care’ here in the USA. And we know why. For many years now, virtually any medical care that I believe is helpful to me, isn’t covered by insurance. Now that I’m on Medicare (I’m 65), and I pay for Part B coverage plus a Medicare supplement, I feel those hundreds of dollars/month are not a good value. My daughter is a registered nurse in a hospital and, yes, she has large student debt, but she did refuse the Covid19 shots. She barely managed to not get fired (religious exemption), but what an ordeal! And such harassment. She still has to mask throughout her shift, but jabbed nurses don’t. The masking has caused her to have respiratory illnesses. Makes me angry. I admire you for your ethics and morals. Thank you.
I wonder how many bright doctors have been silenced.
I hope they’re still in operation, under the radar.
And then some bright doctors retired . . . https://robertyoho.substack.com/p/an-open-letter-to-my-beloved-children?r=ib87&utm_medium=ios
My mother's doctor really leaned on her to get the jab. On her previous visit, he had assured her it was safe; she said, "no thanks." This visit, he was red-in-the-face mad because she kept refusing. He didn't yell at her, but it was close. She's 85, not brain-dead.
Your mother is badass! Tell her to keep it up, she's not alone. Resist!
She very much enjoyed being told someone thinks she's badass. She *is* badass and I am proud to be her daughter.
I love this comment.
You can always fire the doctor.
Good point. The only problem is that the next doctor will likely be the same. Unless you visit one who doesn’t work for a big corporation, and doesn’t accept insurance.
As u know, there are a set of beliefs that GOOD people have, and a set of beliefs that BAD people have, and facts are mostly irrelevant and secondary.
if u want to remain a member in good standing of Team Good and maintain your perks and status and hopefully pass that status onto your children, you will mouth all the proper pieties of Team Good, and always attack and denounce the beliefs of Team Bad.
You wouldn't want to be kicked off Team Good after all those years of bootlicking and ladder climbing, would you?
We Believe in Science and Love Wins—or else!
49% of doctors graduated in the bottom of their class. Never take anything at face value, but especially that which affects you, your health or that of your loved ones.
Chris, this right here is the disconnect.
You are right there. You are right there over the target.
You are right where Joe Rogan was before he was "Spotifiy'd".
The Meritocracy Model of Understanding, roughly:
People do their jobs, they are qualified, the system functions unevenly, but it functions.
... is being ruthlessly exploded. Yeadon is on to why and how.
She had a duty to serve the state.
She did.
This BTW is what it was like in the USSR under Stalin.
We are passive enough to GULAG from home.
Emphasis on former. How many people trust doctors as far as you can throw them?
Not me—but I never really have.
I’ve often tossed prescriptions into the bin before I was out the office door. I often only went in to get a confirmation of a self-diagnosis.
Now I don’t even bother with that.
For myself, I won't even accept a prescription. I want the doctor to know that I'm pushing back.
Nice!
That has become the most dangerous sentiment one can hold. It used to be patriotism but love of doctors now surpasses patriotism. The god of medical science is the most blood thirsty of all gods, and the worshipers are the most brainwashed sort of religious adherents.
They don’t want to KNOW anything. They want to do and think what is “right,” like other “right” minded people.
the banality of evil
Well also the Evil of Banality.
This. Dr. Mike is too humble to promote, so I will. Watch this video:
https://rumble.com/v15yzd4-cv19-virus-and-vax-about-control-not-health-dr.-michael-yeadon.html
Currently watching.
that's what government schooling is all about...
They know.
They sure as hell know how to be banally evil.
It was a huge victory for public health, no doubt...mid level bureaucrats and obscure academics and the like suddenly became minor celebrities, and gained power that they never dreamed of. They certainly don’t want to give it up. So from their perspective, it’s been great. Those pesky commoners? Pay them no mind! We don’t even have to hide it anymore.
See also the MASSIVE funding of homelessness programs in Los Angeles, which led to the creation of an endless series of new programs and departments. Oh, and also to far more homelessness.
Yes of course. Subsidizing something always results in the production of more of that thing. But fortunately for those employed by the homeless complex, it’s a good living. They can also get together regularly and complement each other for being great people, certainly superior to cretins like you and me.
In Vermont the homeless seem to have permanent residency in hotels now. Tourists need to look elsewhere. Perhaps weary travelers can sleep in the parks?
How are the bridges and railroad tracks?
And pay far higher rates. Far higher.
Nonsense.
They bear us great mind.
Indeed we are the focus of all efforts at home and indirectly abroad (sanctions hurt us).
We are the very center of their universe and the prime almost singular object of their disaffections.
Yes, but in an extremely impersonal sense, and only if it’s to their advantage. They’re always bleating about doing things for the people while seeming to hate most actual people.
Hence the reason I’ve always hated broadcasted volunteerism.
If you sincerely volunteer, I should have no clue about it. (And it sure as hell should not pop up on your college application or your CV if you expect to stay in the pool.)
"The patient died, but the operation was a complete success!"
It was if you wanted them dead
They really *did* excel at coercion! 🏆
Yes.
Politics is Power and they deserve a Nobel Prize for Power.
Power at base is coercion.
We on the other hand deserve the Booby Prize for believing them and are now to be Awarded the Darwin prize for stupidity by being reduced by mass killoff.
We take it, we deserve it.
Think it is the Goebbel's Prize.
Like I said before: They're not lost; they're insane.
I'll keep saying it. Everyone's a quack. And mentally ill.
At a not particularly deep level they know they are insane poseurs as they won’t allow themselves to be walked even a few steps down the path of inquiry.
Its not insane to want your rivals and enemies dead.
It is insane to be busy watching NETFLIX as they kill you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnbFgRv8-Kw
OMG, Michele Kipke TAKES HER MASK OFF to praise Barbara Ferrer! The parody of this insane Covid Theatre-TM could not be more incredible. If this had all been in a novel or movie we would have said it was too crazy to be true.
they did a great job at taking away a job i've had since 1980 and replacing me with someone completely mediocre
They did some things. But most importantly, they felt some things.
"Mutual masturbation" is one of my favorite lines from a Counting Crows song, but it is so perfect here. You rock. Your intelligent sarcasm is the highlight of my day.
I mean, where does @ianmSC go from here when these morons are recreating his charts with zero irony?
I do have to admit, year three of this hysteria has become a pretty good black comedy. Blows away anything John Kennedy Toole might have come up with had he overcome his demons.
It’s all one big 🤡show circle jerk.
“Our ‘get people vaccinated’ program worked great! What a shame the shots don’t work…”
Wow. Great piece. We see the culmination of a slave class of government-educated serving government as the highest good. They've learned in school that their work is meaningful and all the pithy catch-phrases of the Left. They are NPCs - unthinking, unknowing, and firmly believing they do both, because they were taught that's what thinking and knowing looks like. This is why I speak on education - to emancipate parents and their children from this mentality. Playbook for Home Learning Conference this June. Samsorbo.com for more info. You are all invited. We can turn this all around with a minority - not a majority - of thinking, free people.
"...I want to hear from God or my doctor..." jeez. shameless, rightous, and lacking in self-awareness.
And this is how Inspector Harry Callahan (Dirty Harry) would respond to them: “You’re a legend in your own mind.”