"For those offenses against the United States which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 1, 2014 through December 1, 2024. . . "
New York, and Atlanta seem to enjoy rooting around in the dirt to see what they can find. I'm sure some enterprising prosecutor from one of those towns will soon come up with some state or local infraction they can ride to fame and fortune. No? Not a one?
The implicit comparison of Biden’s judgment to Ford’s is…unfortunate. (I’m tempering my reaction because I like you.) While Ford was not always the most brilliant statesman (Eastern Europe is not under Soviet domination), he was a good & honorable man, and Biden is anything but.
Ummm...Ford was the lead investigator from the Warren Commission investigating the assassination of JFK. And he was one of the conspirators in the assassination. Ford was the John Durham/Robert Mueller of his day. His investigation was to vacuum up any and all evidence that connected the FBI/Mafia/Dulles/Rockefeller/Bush Fascist criminals to the assassination and make sure it never saw the light of day.
But, go ahead, keep thinking he was a good and honorable man. I and a lot of people who know who he really wasn't won't join you. And Biden is a dirtbag. Working for the same scum who Ford was working for. Only the decade and names change. Some of them.
There's many sources out there, just have to dig. I came across the information a long time ago, went down those rabbit holes, for my own edification so I didn't bother keeping all the research in one place. But I just did a quick search of ""gerald ford" jfk assassination" and this was one of the first page returns. I read it, much of it representative of what I read long ago. Not all-inclusive, but good. Many links to credible sources, many citations. If you're interested in going down this rabbit hole by all means, it's illuminating. The information in this will help focus and refine your research, a good jumping off point. If you dig deep enough you'll find the connections to the conspirators. This link provides enough to read between the lines with, but not the direct connection. The links and information it contains will get you to that direct connection:
The one good thing I would say about Gerald Ford is that his son was on “The Young and the Restless.” 1981 to 1987 and briefly from 2002 to 2003. Quite a handsome young man.
Ummm...Ford was the lead investigator from the Warren Commission investigating the assassination of JFK. And he was one of the conspirators in the assassination. Ford was the John Durham/Robert Mueller of his day. His investigation was to vacuum up any and all evidence that connected the FBI/Mafia/Dulles/Rockefeller/Bush Fascist criminals to the assassination and make sure it never saw the light of day. Not a good man. Deserving of no sympathy or virtue comparison.
I don’t think I would give Ford that much credit. Now, Allen Dulles, and to a lesser extent, Arlen Spector (the author of the magic bullet theory), they deserve the credit.
If you choose to ignore the evidence because Ford holds a sweet spot in your memory then I won't be able to persuade you. He was *at least* the John Durham/Robert Mueller of his day with respect to the JFK assassination. Likely placed in that role by Dulles. And others. He was one of the villains. Along with the Bush Crime Family Syndicate, George HW Bush led the Ft Worth CIA office at the time of the assassination, many credible links to him and the assassination. A long time family friend of both Dulles'. Father Preston Bush worked with him while he was guilty of Trading with the Enemy, "Hitler's Banker" right up until his bank was seized in 1943...two years into the war...when Prescott made sure Hitler's checks for bombs and tanks were cashed...that killed Americans. Traitor. Protected by Dulles when he couldn't contain the investigation by OSS, later made sure Prescott got his bank fortune back, with interest.
I suggest you peek a little further down the rabbit hole to see how interconnected all of these evil people are and have been for a very, very long time. Not just an isolated bad guy here or there. It's endemic. Ford, one of the bad guys. Not as bad as the Bush Crime Family Syndicate. But not much better. Heroes die hard for some.
Thank you, can you provide sources? I don’t think Ford is a hero, that wasn’t my point. I’ve always been left with the impression Ford had be sacked too many times at Michigan for him to be very bright. Ford never struck me as anyone other than the ‘go along’ guy.
Many sources out there, just have to dig. I came across the information a long time ago, went down those rabbit holes, for my own edification so I didn't bother keeping all the research in one place. But I just did a quick search of ""gerald ford" jfk assassination" and this was one of the first page returns. I read it, much of it representative of what I read long ago. Not all-inclusive, but good. Many links to credible sources, many citations. If you're interested in going down this rabbit hole by all means, it's illuminating. The information in this will help focus and refine your research, a good jumping off point.
“Ford never struck me as anyone other than the 'go along' guy.”
That was Ford’s shtick. He was the “great conciliator” in the House. He was one of the reasons the Congress worked better before the advent of primaries denuded it of moderates, and forced liberals and conservatives out of the Republicans and Democrats, respectively. He never authored a major bill, but he was instrumental in the dealmaking that got most of them passed. In international statecraft, his kind of role is described as an “honest broker.” I think that’s why Nixon picked him – great reputation and a shoo-in for confirmation as VP at a time when Nixon was heavily embattled.
I was going to write “That’s the only fact in your post,” but there’s no evidence to support even that statement. Ford was certainly a member of the WARREN Commission, i.e., if anybody was the prequel to “Robert Mueller,” it was Earl Warren. In 2008, 2 yrs after Ford’s death, the FBI released a statement that Ford had kept the FBI briefed on the evidence collected by the Commission, which is certainly consistent with Hoover’s obsession to know everything about everyone.
The rest of your post is innuendo and suspicions. I’m prepared to accept truth on ANY subject, provided there’s credible evidence.
Follow the Spartucus link comment I wrote on this thread. Believe what you want. Makes no difference to me. Truth is truth and doesn’t care about your feelings. Or lack of common sense.
The coup that toppled Viktor Yanukovych was spearheaded by the CIA and was part of the deal that made Hunter Biden a millionaire and sold the White House to anyone willing to be a partner in crime with Hunter Biden. The takeover of Ukraine was a big step towards achieving Obama's scheme of world domination.
Exactly what I was thinking. Hunter and Joe are one in the same. They were a team, a partnership (along with other Biden family members). Hunter had Joe by the balls, Joe had to pardon Hunter to keep the family business out of trouble.
The best part of the day was watching Scott Jennings call the 'true believers' brain-rotted. One host objected to that assessment -- then proceeded to say she didn't think Biden lied at all.
Chris wrote "...and the news media is dull and hysterical. Maybe you already suspected..."
The news media is dull, hysterical and *complicit.* There's zero daylight between them and the criminal cabal that Biden/Cheney/Obama/Bush/CDC/FBI/CIA/WEF are public faces of. They are the most powerful weapon the criminal cabal has. In an Information War where the battle is for Mind Space it is the nuclear bomb at their disposal. Highly effective on a large percentage of the population. Especially for a segment of it, the ones still wearing masks, taking Big Pharma bioweapons and will for the rest of their lives.
The Bulwark is an extraordinary phenomenon which ought to be studied by scientists for generations. They have the superhuman ability to identify the most craven, the most pathetic position on any given subject and then dive-bomb into it without regard for life and credibility.
The player piano is the perfect analogy for the Bulwark, French, Frum, et al. And they'll keep playing as long as the gullible toss coins in the basket.
They're terrified that Kash Patel might politicize the FBI and destroy the image the agency has steadfastly maintained ever since the mob and CIA captured film of J. Edgar Hoover vacuuming another man.
PS--I'll never forget my father, who dropped out of high school to go into WWII, reading a Hoover article in Reader's Digest and laughing about Hoover's claim that there was no such thing as the mafia. Now we know why Edgar lied.
I’m 88 and followed Biden since his early senate days. He has never been an honest man. He is an opportunist who is a ‘finger in the wind’ politician and quietly vindictive.
Heard a good comment from legal analyst Kerri Urbahn on FNC: This is freeing for Trump, who can now grant justice (without much pushback) for the lawfare victims of the last 8 yrs, not least of whom are the nonviolent participants on Jan 6, and separately, Bannon and Navarro.
I ask because I think Joe may have just handed the Republicans the best investigative tool they could have. A pardon removes ALL criminal liability for an act. So doesn't that effectively limit Hunter's 5th Amendment rights? Hunter can't incriminate himself because whatever he did has been pre-emptively declared a "non-crime". To turn around an old joke, Hunter could confess to shooting someone in Capitol Mall in 2018 and get away with it since it's federal land and he's been pardoned for all federal crimes. It's like an immunity agreement that a US Atty or DA would give but on steriods.
Couldn't a special prosecutor or a Congressional committee subpoena him and demand he testify to his actions during this time period? If he refuses, that's contempt of court (or Congress) and if he provably lies it's perjury. In either case, the crime is committed then, not in the 2014-2024 time period, so it's not covered by the pardon.
True, but they require the prosecutor to litigate the pardon’s effectiveness before he can act on any indictment. Easy enough when it’s a drug dealer, but a POTUS’s son – probably not worth the effort.
It depends - if the pre-emptive pardon is not effective, then Hunter can be compelled to give testimony but can plead the Fifth, if it is effective, his testimony can be compelled and he can't assert the right against self-incrimination. Either way, Hunter may have to disappear... because he ends up looking like a mobster as does the rest of the Biden crew, or he sings like a canary.
"There is a distinction between amnesty and pardon; the former overlooks the offense, and is usually addressed to crimes against the sovereignty of the state and political offenses, the latter remits punishment and condones infractions of the peace of the state." https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/236/79/
Thanks for that. Burdick implies that my theory is correct. Brookings claims, "the broader the pardon, the narrower the Fifth Amendment protection." Hunter's pardon was universal, a blanket against ALL federal prosecutions. Theoretically he could be charged with state crimes, but it looks like Hunter has no 5th Amendment rights for the bribery and money laundering stuff that we all suspect him of.
The upside of Biden being a normal parent is that Hunter doesn't go to jail. The downside is that Joe may have just thrown himself and Jim (and maybe Hunter if he's dumb enough to lie) under the bus.
Yes, it removes Hunter’s 5A protections on the pardoned FEDERAL crimes. A Federal pardon does not affect 5A STATE protections. Case law is NOT friendly to pardoned individuals invoking 5A rights before a Federal grand jury (and/or jury trial) who fear the testimony being used against them by STATE authorities in a future prosecution. I’m unclear on the case law when the State case is already underway.
So what's your take on the investigate value of Hunter's now limited ability to remain silent? Is it significant, or do you think it won't matter much?
I would love to be one of the many police officers that are assigned January 21 to follow Hunter's car and make sure it doesn't cross a yellow line or speed.
If you mean his 2020 theft of the presidency, he was known to be corrupt and stupid five full decades previously (I'm assuming the treason came somewhat later).
My guess is there is a silent auction bidding war currently underway for presidential pardons associated with the same Ukraine timeframe among the other Uniparty grifters of the public trough.
“Nero is going to look amazing compared to Biden.”
Biden didn’t use COVID-shot noncompliers as human torches, but he did kill far more people with his mandates. Biden would claim “Fauci made me do it!” Can you imagine Hitler at Nuremberg: “Mengele made me do it!”?!? (All comparisons 100% intentional.)
Not surprised by the pardon. I am surprised by the timing. I shouldn't be surprised by the long timeline for the pardon, but I am. Really validates all who saw the Biden crime family. Now, is he going to pardon his corrupt brother next?
Doubtful only because he knows Trump will not waste an iota of political capital on prosecuting Biden family members about whom Americans’ minds are fully made up. Trump will correctly preserve that capital for his reform agenda.
It is hard to imagine being in President Trump's shoes. After all, he has been targeted by the Biden administration and the media since his famous ride down the golden escalator.
Thinking back to the Clinton years, Bubba pardoned the criminal Marc Rich on his last day in office. I would be shocked if the Big Guy didn't issue pardons for his brother and all the other Biden family members that have lied, cheated, and robbed their way to success.
Curse you for having at last breached my previously stalwart defenses against belief in even the mere possibility that persons currently holding high public office just might be engaged in activities of a corrupt or self-serving nature.
I'm going to have to take a long nap to get over this.
You & Chuck Grassely - who tweeted he was surprised & disappointed in Joe’s change of heart. He served at least 50 years with Joe in the senate & he expected him to keep his word 😂. Too long in the swamp.
“The president correctly explained that ‘people are almost never brought to trial on felony charges solely for how they filled out a gun form…’”
It takes INCREDIBLE gall to fail to enforce existing gun laws, use the resulting noncompliance to advocate more intrusive gun laws that affect only law abiding citizens, and further to portray the failure to enforce as a GOOD REASON to not enforce the law again. I consistently underestimate Democrats’ chutzpah.
JOE PARDONED JOE.
That's why the blanket pardon went all the way back to 2014.
SO OBVIOUS!
More of a sweeping pardon than Ford gave Nixon.
Think about that!
"For those offenses against the United States which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 1, 2014 through December 1, 2024. . . "
yeah, pretty obvious. you can't despise these people enough
New York, and Atlanta seem to enjoy rooting around in the dirt to see what they can find. I'm sure some enterprising prosecutor from one of those towns will soon come up with some state or local infraction they can ride to fame and fortune. No? Not a one?
The implicit comparison of Biden’s judgment to Ford’s is…unfortunate. (I’m tempering my reaction because I like you.) While Ford was not always the most brilliant statesman (Eastern Europe is not under Soviet domination), he was a good & honorable man, and Biden is anything but.
John - that's part of my point. But, I think you made it clearer.
Ummm...Ford was the lead investigator from the Warren Commission investigating the assassination of JFK. And he was one of the conspirators in the assassination. Ford was the John Durham/Robert Mueller of his day. His investigation was to vacuum up any and all evidence that connected the FBI/Mafia/Dulles/Rockefeller/Bush Fascist criminals to the assassination and make sure it never saw the light of day.
But, go ahead, keep thinking he was a good and honorable man. I and a lot of people who know who he really wasn't won't join you. And Biden is a dirtbag. Working for the same scum who Ford was working for. Only the decade and names change. Some of them.
Exactly. Ford was neither good nor honorable.
Woody Allen, back when he did stand up, said "I"m working on a new book... It's a non-fiction version of the Warren Report"
This. Ford had offers from the Packers and the Lions but chose to go into politics… swamp creature.
Gerald Ford “was one of the conspirators in the assassination” of JFK…?
Really?
As I just wrote on another reply, same subject...
There's many sources out there, just have to dig. I came across the information a long time ago, went down those rabbit holes, for my own edification so I didn't bother keeping all the research in one place. But I just did a quick search of ""gerald ford" jfk assassination" and this was one of the first page returns. I read it, much of it representative of what I read long ago. Not all-inclusive, but good. Many links to credible sources, many citations. If you're interested in going down this rabbit hole by all means, it's illuminating. The information in this will help focus and refine your research, a good jumping off point. If you dig deep enough you'll find the connections to the conspirators. This link provides enough to read between the lines with, but not the direct connection. The links and information it contains will get you to that direct connection:
https://spartacus-educational.com/USAfordG.htm
The one good thing I would say about Gerald Ford is that his son was on “The Young and the Restless.” 1981 to 1987 and briefly from 2002 to 2003. Quite a handsome young man.
The Spartacus link a couple comments up.
Do you have some resources from which we can read more facts about this?
Interesting premise
The world is full of good and honorable men. We need those qualities, and a whole lot more
No, Gerald Ford was not a good and honorable man.
Your evidence?
🤔 I don't recall Ford personally benefitting from said pardon.
Actually, he was punished severely by being tossed out in favor of the inept & dour peanut farmer.
exactly John!
That was a one-two, bro. Listen to Tuckers interview on Rogan… trust me.
Ummm...Ford was the lead investigator from the Warren Commission investigating the assassination of JFK. And he was one of the conspirators in the assassination. Ford was the John Durham/Robert Mueller of his day. His investigation was to vacuum up any and all evidence that connected the FBI/Mafia/Dulles/Rockefeller/Bush Fascist criminals to the assassination and make sure it never saw the light of day. Not a good man. Deserving of no sympathy or virtue comparison.
I don’t think I would give Ford that much credit. Now, Allen Dulles, and to a lesser extent, Arlen Spector (the author of the magic bullet theory), they deserve the credit.
Arlen Spector…. A name from the past.
If you choose to ignore the evidence because Ford holds a sweet spot in your memory then I won't be able to persuade you. He was *at least* the John Durham/Robert Mueller of his day with respect to the JFK assassination. Likely placed in that role by Dulles. And others. He was one of the villains. Along with the Bush Crime Family Syndicate, George HW Bush led the Ft Worth CIA office at the time of the assassination, many credible links to him and the assassination. A long time family friend of both Dulles'. Father Preston Bush worked with him while he was guilty of Trading with the Enemy, "Hitler's Banker" right up until his bank was seized in 1943...two years into the war...when Prescott made sure Hitler's checks for bombs and tanks were cashed...that killed Americans. Traitor. Protected by Dulles when he couldn't contain the investigation by OSS, later made sure Prescott got his bank fortune back, with interest.
I suggest you peek a little further down the rabbit hole to see how interconnected all of these evil people are and have been for a very, very long time. Not just an isolated bad guy here or there. It's endemic. Ford, one of the bad guys. Not as bad as the Bush Crime Family Syndicate. But not much better. Heroes die hard for some.
Thank you, can you provide sources? I don’t think Ford is a hero, that wasn’t my point. I’ve always been left with the impression Ford had be sacked too many times at Michigan for him to be very bright. Ford never struck me as anyone other than the ‘go along’ guy.
Many sources out there, just have to dig. I came across the information a long time ago, went down those rabbit holes, for my own edification so I didn't bother keeping all the research in one place. But I just did a quick search of ""gerald ford" jfk assassination" and this was one of the first page returns. I read it, much of it representative of what I read long ago. Not all-inclusive, but good. Many links to credible sources, many citations. If you're interested in going down this rabbit hole by all means, it's illuminating. The information in this will help focus and refine your research, a good jumping off point.
https://spartacus-educational.com/USAfordG.htm
“Ford never struck me as anyone other than the 'go along' guy.”
That was Ford’s shtick. He was the “great conciliator” in the House. He was one of the reasons the Congress worked better before the advent of primaries denuded it of moderates, and forced liberals and conservatives out of the Republicans and Democrats, respectively. He never authored a major bill, but he was instrumental in the dealmaking that got most of them passed. In international statecraft, his kind of role is described as an “honest broker.” I think that’s why Nixon picked him – great reputation and a shoo-in for confirmation as VP at a time when Nixon was heavily embattled.
Wow…. I learn something every day. Well, I’m exposed to something every day. Gotta dig deeper on this . Thanks
“[Ford] was *at least* the
John Durham/Robert Mueller of his
day with respect to the JFK
assassination.“
I was going to write “That’s the only fact in your post,” but there’s no evidence to support even that statement. Ford was certainly a member of the WARREN Commission, i.e., if anybody was the prequel to “Robert Mueller,” it was Earl Warren. In 2008, 2 yrs after Ford’s death, the FBI released a statement that Ford had kept the FBI briefed on the evidence collected by the Commission, which is certainly consistent with Hoover’s obsession to know everything about everyone.
The rest of your post is innuendo and suspicions. I’m prepared to accept truth on ANY subject, provided there’s credible evidence.
Follow the Spartucus link comment I wrote on this thread. Believe what you want. Makes no difference to me. Truth is truth and doesn’t care about your feelings. Or lack of common sense.
Not only Joe, but Obama. I find it hard to believe that Barry did not know what was going on way back in 2014!!
We’ve ASSUMED the “Big Guy” referred to JRB. But BHO? Hmmm…
The coup that toppled Viktor Yanukovych was spearheaded by the CIA and was part of the deal that made Hunter Biden a millionaire and sold the White House to anyone willing to be a partner in crime with Hunter Biden. The takeover of Ukraine was a big step towards achieving Obama's scheme of world domination.
And so, they impeach Trump. Makes sense
He had to. He instigated the mischief
Exactly what I was thinking. Hunter and Joe are one in the same. They were a team, a partnership (along with other Biden family members). Hunter had Joe by the balls, Joe had to pardon Hunter to keep the family business out of trouble.
Reasonable assumption
^This!^
100% to the big guy
BINGO!!!
The best part of the day was watching Scott Jennings call the 'true believers' brain-rotted. One host objected to that assessment -- then proceeded to say she didn't think Biden lied at all.
Thanks for proving the point, CNN!
Yes, and she smirked and preened and rolled her eyes while she pretended.
Chris wrote "...and the news media is dull and hysterical. Maybe you already suspected..."
The news media is dull, hysterical and *complicit.* There's zero daylight between them and the criminal cabal that Biden/Cheney/Obama/Bush/CDC/FBI/CIA/WEF are public faces of. They are the most powerful weapon the criminal cabal has. In an Information War where the battle is for Mind Space it is the nuclear bomb at their disposal. Highly effective on a large percentage of the population. Especially for a segment of it, the ones still wearing masks, taking Big Pharma bioweapons and will for the rest of their lives.
As I like to say -- they just read what's on the card.
WRT TV news anchors, at least the UK is more honest in calling them "news readers" rather than journalists.
The Bulwark is an extraordinary phenomenon which ought to be studied by scientists for generations. They have the superhuman ability to identify the most craven, the most pathetic position on any given subject and then dive-bomb into it without regard for life and credibility.
My smack is truly gobbed.
My smack is truly gobbed
STOLEN
Thank you 🙏
The Thief
The motto at The Bulwark is "LEROOOOOOOOOY JENKINSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!"
LOLOLOLOL
The player piano is the perfect analogy for the Bulwark, French, Frum, et al. And they'll keep playing as long as the gullible toss coins in the basket.
Unfair to the brilliant machine of the automata piano.
Which had more than a little to do with our modern computerz
There's also a really cool book by Vonnegut called Player Piano that's a wonderful metaphor for our robotic/AI future.
They accuse their enemies of everything they’ve already done.
It's more predictable than the sunrise.
They're terrified that Kash Patel might politicize the FBI and destroy the image the agency has steadfastly maintained ever since the mob and CIA captured film of J. Edgar Hoover vacuuming another man.
PS--I'll never forget my father, who dropped out of high school to go into WWII, reading a Hoover article in Reader's Digest and laughing about Hoover's claim that there was no such thing as the mafia. Now we know why Edgar lied.
The DSM-5-TR has changed the description of “projection” to “refer to American Democratic Party.”
I’m 88 and followed Biden since his early senate days. He has never been an honest man. He is an opportunist who is a ‘finger in the wind’ politician and quietly vindictive.
He proved that anyone really could become President. If you think of it that way, the pain may linger but the embarrassment might be tamped down.
Sometimes not so quietly…
So you've followed ALL of the Joe Bidens? 😁
Well at least we finally have a winner in the 2024 “least surprising headline “ contest,
As Senator Tom Cotton observed on X: “Democrats can now spare us the lecture on “no one is above the law.”
Heard a good comment from legal analyst Kerri Urbahn on FNC: This is freeing for Trump, who can now grant justice (without much pushback) for the lawfare victims of the last 8 yrs, not least of whom are the nonviolent participants on Jan 6, and separately, Bannon and Navarro.
Guys, are there any lawyers here?
I ask because I think Joe may have just handed the Republicans the best investigative tool they could have. A pardon removes ALL criminal liability for an act. So doesn't that effectively limit Hunter's 5th Amendment rights? Hunter can't incriminate himself because whatever he did has been pre-emptively declared a "non-crime". To turn around an old joke, Hunter could confess to shooting someone in Capitol Mall in 2018 and get away with it since it's federal land and he's been pardoned for all federal crimes. It's like an immunity agreement that a US Atty or DA would give but on steriods.
Couldn't a special prosecutor or a Congressional committee subpoena him and demand he testify to his actions during this time period? If he refuses, that's contempt of court (or Congress) and if he provably lies it's perjury. In either case, the crime is committed then, not in the 2014-2024 time period, so it's not covered by the pardon.
Anyone here familiar with this area of law?
The pre-emptive pardon may not have effect: "Presidential pardons must satisfy a modest procedural rule: they must list the specific crimes covered by the pardon. The “specificity requirement” means that vague and broadly worded pardons are invalid." https://digitalcommons.lib.uconn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1434&context=law_review
True, but they require the prosecutor to litigate the pardon’s effectiveness before he can act on any indictment. Easy enough when it’s a drug dealer, but a POTUS’s son – probably not worth the effort.
It depends - if the pre-emptive pardon is not effective, then Hunter can be compelled to give testimony but can plead the Fifth, if it is effective, his testimony can be compelled and he can't assert the right against self-incrimination. Either way, Hunter may have to disappear... because he ends up looking like a mobster as does the rest of the Biden crew, or he sings like a canary.
I think it would hold up. Nixon's pardon has always been considered valid and it was both pre-emptive and universal as well.
It wasn't tested in court, and that was back before Scalia-style originalism was a thing. The result nowadays might be different.
"There is a distinction between amnesty and pardon; the former overlooks the offense, and is usually addressed to crimes against the sovereignty of the state and political offenses, the latter remits punishment and condones infractions of the peace of the state." https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/236/79/
"In the 1915 case of Burdick v. U.S., George Burdick refused a pre-emptive pardon ... because accepting it would have meant that he could not claim his Fifth Amendment privilege when called to give testimony relating to the pardoned crime before a grand jury." https://www.brookings.edu/articles/presidential-pardons-settled-law-unsettled-issues-and-a-downside-for-trump/
Thanks for that. Burdick implies that my theory is correct. Brookings claims, "the broader the pardon, the narrower the Fifth Amendment protection." Hunter's pardon was universal, a blanket against ALL federal prosecutions. Theoretically he could be charged with state crimes, but it looks like Hunter has no 5th Amendment rights for the bribery and money laundering stuff that we all suspect him of.
The upside of Biden being a normal parent is that Hunter doesn't go to jail. The downside is that Joe may have just thrown himself and Jim (and maybe Hunter if he's dumb enough to lie) under the bus.
Joe may be counting on his incompetence to stand trial.
Yes, it removes Hunter’s 5A protections on the pardoned FEDERAL crimes. A Federal pardon does not affect 5A STATE protections. Case law is NOT friendly to pardoned individuals invoking 5A rights before a Federal grand jury (and/or jury trial) who fear the testimony being used against them by STATE authorities in a future prosecution. I’m unclear on the case law when the State case is already underway.
So what's your take on the investigate value of Hunter's now limited ability to remain silent? Is it significant, or do you think it won't matter much?
I sure wish someone
would answer your question.
Substack has recently begun to make detailed replies impossible, but here are a few references: https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt5-4-5/ALDE_00013667/ and https://www.brookings.edu/articles/presidential-pardons-settled-law-unsettled-issues-and-a-downside-for-trump/ - the issue is "pre-emptive pardon" which is what has been given here.
Can't wait to see Lempert apply all the same reasoning to Biden that he was so eager to apply to Trump.
The sword of the law has two edges, or in a fair tribunal, should.
I would love to be one of the many police officers that are assigned January 21 to follow Hunter's car and make sure it doesn't cross a yellow line or speed.
“May Suggest”? We’ve known he’s dishonest and corrupt and a traitor to this Country since before his election.
gasp
If you mean his 2020 theft of the presidency, he was known to be corrupt and stupid five full decades previously (I'm assuming the treason came somewhat later).
In heavy trading this morning, the United States is up 1&3/8ths banana.
:-)
My guess is there is a silent auction bidding war currently underway for presidential pardons associated with the same Ukraine timeframe among the other Uniparty grifters of the public trough.
Spot on!
Nero is going to look amazing compared to Biden.
"Biden drooled while Washington drowned in it's own somehow-retarded-shit."
“Nero is going to look amazing compared to Biden.”
Biden didn’t use COVID-shot noncompliers as human torches, but he did kill far more people with his mandates. Biden would claim “Fauci made me do it!” Can you imagine Hitler at Nuremberg: “Mengele made me do it!”?!? (All comparisons 100% intentional.)
Not surprised by the pardon. I am surprised by the timing. I shouldn't be surprised by the long timeline for the pardon, but I am. Really validates all who saw the Biden crime family. Now, is he going to pardon his corrupt brother next?
Doubtful only because he knows Trump will not waste an iota of political capital on prosecuting Biden family members about whom Americans’ minds are fully made up. Trump will correctly preserve that capital for his reform agenda.
It is hard to imagine being in President Trump's shoes. After all, he has been targeted by the Biden administration and the media since his famous ride down the golden escalator.
Thinking back to the Clinton years, Bubba pardoned the criminal Marc Rich on his last day in office. I would be shocked if the Big Guy didn't issue pardons for his brother and all the other Biden family members that have lied, cheated, and robbed their way to success.
Hunter was due to be sentenced mid December I think. So that could be a motivating factor of the timing of the pardon.
I kind of expected January 19th as well.
“But Daaaad, I had big plans for New Year’s Eve!”
Me too. With the dividend that it would steal some of the spotlight from Trump’s inauguration.
Biden’s team was probably assured that MSM will spend the rest of the weak clutching pearls about Trump’s cabinet picks
Curse you for having at last breached my previously stalwart defenses against belief in even the mere possibility that persons currently holding high public office just might be engaged in activities of a corrupt or self-serving nature.
I'm going to have to take a long nap to get over this.
I know, I know. This weekend really destroyed my faith in Joe Biden's decency and wisdom. Such a good man, I used to think.
You & Chuck Grassely - who tweeted he was surprised & disappointed in Joe’s change of heart. He served at least 50 years with Joe in the senate & he expected him to keep his word 😂. Too long in the swamp.
Yet another hero who, it turns out, has feet of clay like all the rest. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Whaaaat?
The only nap that will allow me to get over all of this is a dirt nap
“The president correctly explained that ‘people are almost never brought to trial on felony charges solely for how they filled out a gun form…’”
It takes INCREDIBLE gall to fail to enforce existing gun laws, use the resulting noncompliance to advocate more intrusive gun laws that affect only law abiding citizens, and further to portray the failure to enforce as a GOOD REASON to not enforce the law again. I consistently underestimate Democrats’ chutzpah.