Luckily for the rest of us, the press is immune from the effects of these magical words, and in fact are able to explain what's REALLY going on. It's dangerous to listen to Donald Trump, so just listen to what Rachel Maddow SAYS about Donald Trump! It's much easier that way!
LOL, that's so rich!!! Yet again, the media arm of the Democrat Party wants us to believe that they are objective reporters of truth and that they admire and respect Mike Pence and all that he stands for. Boy, there wouldn't be enough space in a Substack to embed the links of every horrible statement about Pence made by the MSM from 2015 - 2020. On another note, I did want to vomit when I watched Pence say that about "that's not his concern". Talk about the mask pretty much literally slipping off - I actually could SEE the benign mask slide down and the REAL Mike Pence facing the cameras - gave me the chills. Because he is not the only one - so many Republicans in the Senate and some in the House are the same evil war mongering regime changers.
Jul 15, 2023·edited Jul 15, 2023Liked by Chris Bray
These people write for their friends and to create the reality they want so they themselves don't fall to pieces. I don't even think they're trying to convince the rest of us anymore. We're beneath convincing.
After Tucker presses him on why he's worried about sending tanks to Ukraine when quality of life is degrading so badly here in the US, Mike Pence literally says, "That's not my concern." And the clip ends.
I had to go find the full interview. I thought, this has to be taken out of context, just because it's such a ridiculous misstep (he's telling the truth, but it's a truth that will sink him). But it isn't. After a lengthy discussion of why we need to be in Ukraine and how much we're helping Ukraine and all the evil things Russia has done, Tucker goes into what's wrong here at home and Mike Pence literally comes back with "That's not my concern." And then to make matters worse he actually says something along the lines of "I'm running to be president of the United States, and that's not my concern." If quality of life in the US is not the concern of the president of the US, who the hell's concern is it?
I don't know if Pence was just frazzled and didn't really know what he was saying or he genuinely thinks that, but if he actually thought he was being clever, he blew it up right there. (I don't care. I never liked Pence. He is literally every reason an independent would hate the Republican Party.)
What nauseating sub-basement intellect and abysmal lack of ethics of mainstream commentators and "journalists." Is there anyone anywhere who is actually influenced by those clowns? If that number is under 5%, why do they even bother?
Ground-breaking new research has shown that all full-of-shit lefty journalists and tv presenters all emerged from a common gene pool. Or did I just imagine that?
The media believes strongly in propaganda and are shameless purveyors of it. Because they lack the capacity for imagination and empathy they cannot conceive of anyone else not similarly so inclined. Thus they don’t really seem to believe people could hold opinions that aren’t manufactured with some end in mind. As they see it, Tucker’s audience would otherwise believe their propaganda were he not interfering with his own.
What they miss is that managerial system propaganda can only work in an environment of existing trust, where people are conditioned though demonstrated veracity on the part of the media to accept the occasional falsehoods. In earlier ages when people generally accepted that the media would not publish outright lies, you float a false story and count on that reputation to keep it out there and moving. Modern propaganda has no such luxury; it’s all lies all the time and everyone knows it. They are trying to float a ship across a desert.
People who believe charlatans like Heffernan and Goldenberg can't cope. They fall apart when the precious narrative clearly diverges from observable reality. That drama doesn't fix broken water mains or sewage pumps that weren't maintained. Maybe Sally and Virginia would like to grab a few tools and help out? No?
Sanctimonious and comically serious Pence, fat bully Chrisco Christie, the nauseatingly cheerful Nikki Haley, pasteurized Tim Scott, I’m sure there are others, are fake candidates on a campaign train to the same place California’s high speed rail goes: nowheresville.
For a variety of reasons: they were told to by the Deep State, they want to keep some campaign donations, they are delusional megalomaniacs and cheats who need constant attention and will hope against hope that whatever vote stealing fuckery the retarded GOPe can come up will stop Trump, and they can weasel the nomination. We’ve already seen the shenanigans in California with the aborted proportional delegate assignment scheme exposed by Laura Loomer. I’m sure there’s more chicanery afoot.
Nobody likes Pence. Well no ordinary humans like him. He’s a phony, a backstabbing coward, and not much fun at a party. The propaganda ministry can spin it all day long. Nobody paying attention is buying what they are selling. This will be the playbook until and if somebody other than Trump gets the nod. Then the same jackals will rip that Republican into shreds. Trump gets it because he’s the leader. It makes no difference if the “nice” Republicans steal the nomination. They will be transformed overnight into monsters by the same shills attacking Trump and Tucker. The media thinks you are idiots.
The last 20+ years prove that the US government cannot or will not solve its domestic problems, preferring instead to provoke endless wars all around the world. As for Pence, he betrayed everyone who saw obvious irregularities in the way the 2020 election was conducted and in the refusal of courts to hear grievances. I'm surprised he can even show his face in public let alone have the gall to run for president.
Are we supposed to believe Politico sympathizes with Pence? That'll be the day. When else has a "devout Christian" faced jeers from the crowd? Oh right, Him. If you want a miracle for our times, it would be honest reporting from this generation of Taylor Lorenz and Jim Acosta wannabes. To them, "devout Christian" is a dog whistle for White Supremacist or neo-Nazi. Subtract Tucker's insistent questioning, and Mike Pence the sympathetic "devout Christian" becomes Mike Pence out of The Handmaid's Tale or Schindler's List. These people are so dishonest, the Reich Minister for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda has complained about their blatant biased reporting.
Insightful observation, this turn towards calling out inconvenient stories as cons. I think the projection world we've bee living in, must be reaching its crescendo. We can hope. It's not enough to project bias anymore, it has to be a scam and a con, because, the media-left is now protecting cons. (Biden as credible and Covid as a real threat and the Ukraine war as justified.) They can't afford contexts that might provide meaning or understanding. They have to dismiss from the outset. Pathetic ploy and it won't work. Thanks
I watched a lot of Tucker's interviews of Mike Pence and Nikki Haley today. Mike Pence has no business being in charge of anything, any time, anywhere. He stated that America was not his concern. Ukraine is obviously where he would like to be and he believes everything Zelenskyy says. Like I said, don't let him ever run anything again. This tells me that there were probably lots of Pence-based disasters during President Trump's term.
Nikki Haley did a lot better - she at least seems to know how to run a large operation.
I see the effect of the "journalism" you describe in my inner circle. Most of my closest family & friends will just regurgitate establishment opinions without ever having listened to the people about whom they have simply accepted the respectable liberal viewpoint. Propaganda! Tucker Carlson [I'm a big fan] & Andrew Tate spring to mind. I'm not a fan of Tate's rather narcissistic brand of machismo but in their recent (long) interview it's clear he does have interesting things to say and can think through & articulate his beliefs. None of those mentioned would deign to expose themselves to such vulgarity, of course.
As a white, educated woman I can’t even convey my level of outrage with this last quote. What a disgusting troll this woman is. Honestly thinking she’s elite, grouping men into one amorphous blob, and launching herself into a godlike stratosphere that hilariously only exists in her own mRNA infested neurons. Hitleresque doesn’t even begin to describe her and her ilk.
“Why doesn’t Hawley take his pitch to elites? He didn’t respond to a request for an interview on the topic, but perhaps it’s because men without college educations are much more imperiled by mental illness, addiction and suicidality than college-educated men. They’re less contented. They’re less employed. And, for Hawley, that means they’re a riper political target — more easily sold on far-right memes and “woke”-bashing flexes as a way to cure what ails them.”
Jul 15, 2023·edited Jul 15, 2023Liked by Chris Bray
I am going to be devil’s advocate for POLITICO The Magazine and say that none of their editors or readers consider that real reportage on a livestream with a Congressional figure; talking about the “longform” gossip-girl piece (not the journalisming one about Pence)— It is what Maureen Dowd used to do, with a pretense of a news hook but then she banged on about whatever female-nerd thing she wanted to preach, after the topical stuff was out of the way. The “digression” i.e. main theme of the piece, about her fave William James quotations (reliable sign of an overeducated, oversocialized essayist) is actually kind of interesting in a slow-Sunday-read way. Heffernan is an NPR Rush Limbaugh, who himself started as a disc jockey and knew how to play the hits. Like him she does catty little bits to pander to the audience like calling “End of Men” “homoerotic.” This is standard 21st century liberal rhetorical tic well known to any tween girl in Manhattan or Montana since about 1996
Luckily for the rest of us, the press is immune from the effects of these magical words, and in fact are able to explain what's REALLY going on. It's dangerous to listen to Donald Trump, so just listen to what Rachel Maddow SAYS about Donald Trump! It's much easier that way!
LOL, that's so rich!!! Yet again, the media arm of the Democrat Party wants us to believe that they are objective reporters of truth and that they admire and respect Mike Pence and all that he stands for. Boy, there wouldn't be enough space in a Substack to embed the links of every horrible statement about Pence made by the MSM from 2015 - 2020. On another note, I did want to vomit when I watched Pence say that about "that's not his concern". Talk about the mask pretty much literally slipping off - I actually could SEE the benign mask slide down and the REAL Mike Pence facing the cameras - gave me the chills. Because he is not the only one - so many Republicans in the Senate and some in the House are the same evil war mongering regime changers.
These people write for their friends and to create the reality they want so they themselves don't fall to pieces. I don't even think they're trying to convince the rest of us anymore. We're beneath convincing.
On a side note, I went looking for the Mike Pence interview on YouTube and I found this clip (less than a minute long): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC86peIh_Ys [Edit: That was the full interview, sorry. Here is the clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C74K8_3VzT8.]
After Tucker presses him on why he's worried about sending tanks to Ukraine when quality of life is degrading so badly here in the US, Mike Pence literally says, "That's not my concern." And the clip ends.
I had to go find the full interview. I thought, this has to be taken out of context, just because it's such a ridiculous misstep (he's telling the truth, but it's a truth that will sink him). But it isn't. After a lengthy discussion of why we need to be in Ukraine and how much we're helping Ukraine and all the evil things Russia has done, Tucker goes into what's wrong here at home and Mike Pence literally comes back with "That's not my concern." And then to make matters worse he actually says something along the lines of "I'm running to be president of the United States, and that's not my concern." If quality of life in the US is not the concern of the president of the US, who the hell's concern is it?
I don't know if Pence was just frazzled and didn't really know what he was saying or he genuinely thinks that, but if he actually thought he was being clever, he blew it up right there. (I don't care. I never liked Pence. He is literally every reason an independent would hate the Republican Party.)
What nauseating sub-basement intellect and abysmal lack of ethics of mainstream commentators and "journalists." Is there anyone anywhere who is actually influenced by those clowns? If that number is under 5%, why do they even bother?
Ground-breaking new research has shown that all full-of-shit lefty journalists and tv presenters all emerged from a common gene pool. Or did I just imagine that?
The media believes strongly in propaganda and are shameless purveyors of it. Because they lack the capacity for imagination and empathy they cannot conceive of anyone else not similarly so inclined. Thus they don’t really seem to believe people could hold opinions that aren’t manufactured with some end in mind. As they see it, Tucker’s audience would otherwise believe their propaganda were he not interfering with his own.
What they miss is that managerial system propaganda can only work in an environment of existing trust, where people are conditioned though demonstrated veracity on the part of the media to accept the occasional falsehoods. In earlier ages when people generally accepted that the media would not publish outright lies, you float a false story and count on that reputation to keep it out there and moving. Modern propaganda has no such luxury; it’s all lies all the time and everyone knows it. They are trying to float a ship across a desert.
People who believe charlatans like Heffernan and Goldenberg can't cope. They fall apart when the precious narrative clearly diverges from observable reality. That drama doesn't fix broken water mains or sewage pumps that weren't maintained. Maybe Sally and Virginia would like to grab a few tools and help out? No?
Sanctimonious and comically serious Pence, fat bully Chrisco Christie, the nauseatingly cheerful Nikki Haley, pasteurized Tim Scott, I’m sure there are others, are fake candidates on a campaign train to the same place California’s high speed rail goes: nowheresville.
For a variety of reasons: they were told to by the Deep State, they want to keep some campaign donations, they are delusional megalomaniacs and cheats who need constant attention and will hope against hope that whatever vote stealing fuckery the retarded GOPe can come up will stop Trump, and they can weasel the nomination. We’ve already seen the shenanigans in California with the aborted proportional delegate assignment scheme exposed by Laura Loomer. I’m sure there’s more chicanery afoot.
Nobody likes Pence. Well no ordinary humans like him. He’s a phony, a backstabbing coward, and not much fun at a party. The propaganda ministry can spin it all day long. Nobody paying attention is buying what they are selling. This will be the playbook until and if somebody other than Trump gets the nod. Then the same jackals will rip that Republican into shreds. Trump gets it because he’s the leader. It makes no difference if the “nice” Republicans steal the nomination. They will be transformed overnight into monsters by the same shills attacking Trump and Tucker. The media thinks you are idiots.
The last 20+ years prove that the US government cannot or will not solve its domestic problems, preferring instead to provoke endless wars all around the world. As for Pence, he betrayed everyone who saw obvious irregularities in the way the 2020 election was conducted and in the refusal of courts to hear grievances. I'm surprised he can even show his face in public let alone have the gall to run for president.
Carlson didn't trick Pence. Pence sunk himself because he is an idiot.
Are we supposed to believe Politico sympathizes with Pence? That'll be the day. When else has a "devout Christian" faced jeers from the crowd? Oh right, Him. If you want a miracle for our times, it would be honest reporting from this generation of Taylor Lorenz and Jim Acosta wannabes. To them, "devout Christian" is a dog whistle for White Supremacist or neo-Nazi. Subtract Tucker's insistent questioning, and Mike Pence the sympathetic "devout Christian" becomes Mike Pence out of The Handmaid's Tale or Schindler's List. These people are so dishonest, the Reich Minister for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda has complained about their blatant biased reporting.
Insightful observation, this turn towards calling out inconvenient stories as cons. I think the projection world we've bee living in, must be reaching its crescendo. We can hope. It's not enough to project bias anymore, it has to be a scam and a con, because, the media-left is now protecting cons. (Biden as credible and Covid as a real threat and the Ukraine war as justified.) They can't afford contexts that might provide meaning or understanding. They have to dismiss from the outset. Pathetic ploy and it won't work. Thanks
I watched a lot of Tucker's interviews of Mike Pence and Nikki Haley today. Mike Pence has no business being in charge of anything, any time, anywhere. He stated that America was not his concern. Ukraine is obviously where he would like to be and he believes everything Zelenskyy says. Like I said, don't let him ever run anything again. This tells me that there were probably lots of Pence-based disasters during President Trump's term.
Nikki Haley did a lot better - she at least seems to know how to run a large operation.
I see the effect of the "journalism" you describe in my inner circle. Most of my closest family & friends will just regurgitate establishment opinions without ever having listened to the people about whom they have simply accepted the respectable liberal viewpoint. Propaganda! Tucker Carlson [I'm a big fan] & Andrew Tate spring to mind. I'm not a fan of Tate's rather narcissistic brand of machismo but in their recent (long) interview it's clear he does have interesting things to say and can think through & articulate his beliefs. None of those mentioned would deign to expose themselves to such vulgarity, of course.
As a white, educated woman I can’t even convey my level of outrage with this last quote. What a disgusting troll this woman is. Honestly thinking she’s elite, grouping men into one amorphous blob, and launching herself into a godlike stratosphere that hilariously only exists in her own mRNA infested neurons. Hitleresque doesn’t even begin to describe her and her ilk.
“Why doesn’t Hawley take his pitch to elites? He didn’t respond to a request for an interview on the topic, but perhaps it’s because men without college educations are much more imperiled by mental illness, addiction and suicidality than college-educated men. They’re less contented. They’re less employed. And, for Hawley, that means they’re a riper political target — more easily sold on far-right memes and “woke”-bashing flexes as a way to cure what ails them.”
I am going to be devil’s advocate for POLITICO The Magazine and say that none of their editors or readers consider that real reportage on a livestream with a Congressional figure; talking about the “longform” gossip-girl piece (not the journalisming one about Pence)— It is what Maureen Dowd used to do, with a pretense of a news hook but then she banged on about whatever female-nerd thing she wanted to preach, after the topical stuff was out of the way. The “digression” i.e. main theme of the piece, about her fave William James quotations (reliable sign of an overeducated, oversocialized essayist) is actually kind of interesting in a slow-Sunday-read way. Heffernan is an NPR Rush Limbaugh, who himself started as a disc jockey and knew how to play the hits. Like him she does catty little bits to pander to the audience like calling “End of Men” “homoerotic.” This is standard 21st century liberal rhetorical tic well known to any tween girl in Manhattan or Montana since about 1996