I just learned about A06761, a bill that was introduced in May, but I’m on the other side of the country and had trouble seeing the thing because of the Rockies.
Great job sharing this dishonesty, which borders on criminal. There seems to be no evil Dems and a few R's will not bend to.
On a lighter note, I agree that the Rockies, as well as the Sierras, should be brought down a peg or two because of white privilege. For some reason, this time of year they are all white, which means they are racist. We need more diverse geological formations, like the Black Hills or the Yellowstone Mountains.
You know I’m in NY, cousin. Do you know the day Jessica turned 12, I was denied online access to her medical records?! I was also told by her former doctor that if she feels she wants a vaccination and I say no, she can get it anyway. Who pays for her healthcare? Not Jessica! But when it’s time for payment, who do they ask? She’s a child... to leave medical decisions up to her is absolutely ludicrous. To deny parents access to their online medical accounts is insane. It’s so infuriating to me.
It's disgusting. We have the talk in our family about what the state allows and what we allow, and we establish clear expectations. But the fact that we have to set our family against our governments, explicitly and very carefully, is evil.
It really is. Can’t drive until 16, can’t vote until 18, can’t drink until 21... but let’s allow them to make decisions that they can be easily talked in to without parental consent.
Its even more ludicrous. One of the bill co-sponsors, Amy Paulin, recently managed to pass a different bill that raises the minimum age to drive an ATV from 10 to 14 years old and requires children younger than 16 to be supervised by an adult.
Are you saying this is untrue for NY? Are you a peds doc in another state and in your state parental consent is still required? I apologize, I’m a bit confused at your comment. I’m in NY and my daughter’s former peds doc said that when she is 12, she has the right to make her own decision regarding vaccines.... example....Covid vax, etc. (This was before she turned 12 and before the go ahead for children was allowed for children that age to receive it). What blows my mind is that the day.... literally the exact day.... She turned 12, she was removed from the patient portal and my access to her records was denied. They told me I’d have to bring her in to have a consent form signed by HER, so that I’m allowed to see her medical records. As her parents, who clearly pay for her medical insurance, co-pays, scripts, tests, etc., why are we not privy to her medical information? They clearly can’t go after her for an unpaid bill, but they will come after us for it.... If I get a bill in the mail, that I clearly did not know about or consent to, I’m going to question it. Where are the days of letting children enjoy their childhood and let the parents make the adult decisions?
I'm pretty sure a minor can't bind themselves or anyone else to a payment, so I would damn sure contest *any* bill you didn't consent to.
That's probably why the law mentions that insurance would pay. (A minor can't bind an insurance company either, but the companies may be happy to cover it as part of a better deal for them.)
Yes, former. She was too pushy with her comments and questioned me as to why I refused a certain vaccine for my daughter. Very condescending and very firm on why I was incorrect. I’m not anti-vaccine. I am, however, anti vaccine when it comes time to a certain vaccine that I know nothing about, there is no adequate data supporting that this will not harm her later in life and when it was created in about 3 minutes. 🤔 I’m sure you know where I’m going with this. I have 3 children....1 is out of college, 1 is in college and 1 is in 7th grade. This isn’t my first rodeo. To try and force someone to take something ( when allowed for her age) and then give me attitude when I politely decline, then have the audacity to question ME as to why.... sorry. I’ll gladly find someone else. We did and absolutely love her doctor now.
I wish. My middle is still college and my youngest is in 7th grade. Plus, my husband’s job is here. I’d have my house packed in 4 hours if my husband said we’re moving!
Chris, Be aware that in NYC minors can currently consent to abortions, birth control, etc. without any referral to parents -- in fact, by law one must work hard to make sure parents do not find out. So, like in California, it is only a minor "push" to legitimize this. Without strong and loud opposition, it has an easy path to approval. So if people care, they should write/call their legislators (who won't give a damn, but gotta do what you can do).
Transfer of wealth from private citizens to pharmaceutical and health care corporations.
Kid wants a procedure, parents can't pay, kid has a right to the procedure as per the law, state takes taxmoney to pay private capitalist corporation for procedure.
Read RFK Jr.'s great book The Real Anthony Fauci for the details on what Fauci and his principal investigators did to sheltered New York children back in the day--they tested deadly AIDs drugs on them, putting tubes into the stomachs of those that refused to take the meds orally.
A related item: On Monday the Supreme Court denied a bid to have it review an appeals court ruling on whether a state government can regulate what a therapist tells people who have gender dysphoria. If you go to https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/121123zor_e29g.pdf and see pages 14 through 19, you'll get two opinions from dissenting justices who wanted to hear the case.
Saw this in the news. Surprised the conservative judges went along. How is this legal for the government to stick its nose into the counseling room with a kid. Why is it anyone else's business what they talk about? So-called "conversion therapy?" So what if the minor brings it up and wants to change or needs help processing? Are they forbidden to talk about it? According to these laws, Yes, they are forbidden. It is all so ridiculous. What if my kid was straight and wanted to be gay because it was the "in" thing but just wasn't attracted that way? So he can't talk to a counselor because that would be conversion therapy too.
In this age of the normalization of voter fraud, do you understand why a Democrat parent would be on board with their children making adult decisions? I, personally, do not understand how this is acceptable to anyone.
I can’t agree with you more!!! It’s really a shame because there are absolutely gorgeous areas here. A lot to see and do. (Like the Baseball Hall of Fame.... which we still have that picture from us as kids!) There is something here for everyone; fishing, wineries, theater, landmarks, beaches, skiing, etc. It’s really sad how this state is.
Of the five sponsors of this hideous bill, 4 have something in common. It's important to identify it, study it, and see how it operates. Not everyone shares the same fundamental assumptions about human nature, human rights, and the Moral Law. "By their fruits ye shall know them."
I read the bill and, yeah, I think it’s exactly what Chris is suggesting, unfortunately.
I note that it replaces “physician” with “health professional” for who is empowered to deem the minor’s consent sufficient. Not that the medical profession has covered itself with glory recently in this respect (or some others), but the change looks like it would throw things open to a lot of “therapists” and the like with very particular agendas.
Good catch! That's a huge screaming loop-hole right there.
We have a real problem with that over nowadays, since patients from the psychiatric side of the health care-system are allowed to "shop around" until they find the "therapist" they like.
(Therapist isn't a protected titel requiring a license; psychologist and psychiatrist are.)
So when they find someone who "confirms" them, the last thing a psychotic person needs, the threapist then writes a recommendation to the psychiatrist re: what medication the patient would consider using.
Guess what dope-heads with the usual mental problems from drug-use demand?
Benzo, anything with benzo in it. Anything morphine-based. Any kind of opiate.
And never any kind of therapy not including drugs.
Cha-ching goes the register at the therapist's office when the taxfunded system pays the private contractor. Same with the private pharmacy and the private pharmaceutical company.
while sending notes to parents, spare a thought for those homeless minors, too. Children in the foster care system are massively, disproportionately identifying as "trans" gender fluid and the rest of it these days. "Advocates" will tell you this is because their families have rejected them and society has left them in the street. Your lying eyes will tell you it is because in institutional systems that do not have enough love and resources for the most vulnerable children, a whole creepy movement is promising them love and care and community and, often enough, additional financial resources for what must seem to these kids in the context of their lives the low, low, low price of identifying as "trans" or at least "nonbinary".
It's the story of Hansel and Gretel for the 21st century.
In the same generation that Canada has beat its collective breast and declared mea culpa, mea cupla, mea maxima culpa about residential schools, they are steering Indigenous children toward sterilization -- once again, in the name of "enlightened social values":
"More than 40 per cent of young people in Edmonton who are experiencing homelessness are part of the 2SLGBTQ+ community, according to Homeward Trust, an organization dedicated to ending homelessness in the city.
“The issue is that 40 per cent of resources don’t go to them,” says Evan Westfal, program manager at the U of A’s Fyrefly Institute for Gender and Sexual Diversity. “A lot of youth we see have fallen through the cracks.”
Fyrefly is working to fill that gap through the Community, Health, Empowerment and Wellness (CHEW) Project, with help from collaborators like the United Way.
CHEW staff help support young people through difficult situations including homelessness, food insecurity and lack of access to mental health support and other resources. The United Way supports CHEW programs such as the Family Resilience Project, which offers free counselling to queer and trans youth. This year, that program has provided more than 90 hours of counselling to more than 20 individuals. Almost all the funding was provided through the United Way.
Through creating pathways for youth to succeed, the CHEW project has become more than just a place to go.
“To me, CHEW means family,” says Dominika, a CHEW Project participant. “An inspirational family that everyone should have. It’s a loving, caring place you can call home, with different people from different walks of life and backgrounds coming together making a big family. And it’s a safe place and that makes it even better.”
In addition to the work being done through the CHEW Project, the Fyrefly Institute hosts other programming including educational outreach and conferences, Indigenous-based programming and summer camps. In the last year, the institute has reached more than 7,000 people, including more than 2,600 teachers and others who work with young people. "
Great job sharing this dishonesty, which borders on criminal. There seems to be no evil Dems and a few R's will not bend to.
On a lighter note, I agree that the Rockies, as well as the Sierras, should be brought down a peg or two because of white privilege. For some reason, this time of year they are all white, which means they are racist. We need more diverse geological formations, like the Black Hills or the Yellowstone Mountains.
Danny Huckabee
OBVIOUSLY
Excellent.
Now I can tell them that we should burn every fossil fuel we can find to eliminate the white!
Regardless of whether or not it (Co2) matters...
Somehow, someway, I'm convinced that billionaires on private plane will solve this dastardly problem.
You know I’m in NY, cousin. Do you know the day Jessica turned 12, I was denied online access to her medical records?! I was also told by her former doctor that if she feels she wants a vaccination and I say no, she can get it anyway. Who pays for her healthcare? Not Jessica! But when it’s time for payment, who do they ask? She’s a child... to leave medical decisions up to her is absolutely ludicrous. To deny parents access to their online medical accounts is insane. It’s so infuriating to me.
It's disgusting. We have the talk in our family about what the state allows and what we allow, and we establish clear expectations. But the fact that we have to set our family against our governments, explicitly and very carefully, is evil.
It really is. Can’t drive until 16, can’t vote until 18, can’t drink until 21... but let’s allow them to make decisions that they can be easily talked in to without parental consent.
Its even more ludicrous. One of the bill co-sponsors, Amy Paulin, recently managed to pass a different bill that raises the minimum age to drive an ATV from 10 to 14 years old and requires children younger than 16 to be supervised by an adult.
https://nyassembly.gov/mem/Amy-Paulin/story/107853
Really? Wow!
The government is not yours ("ours"); you/we belong to the government. This is the truth until we people decide to change the situation.
I’m a pediatrician. We need parental consent for vaccines up to age 18. Not in NY
Are you saying this is untrue for NY? Are you a peds doc in another state and in your state parental consent is still required? I apologize, I’m a bit confused at your comment. I’m in NY and my daughter’s former peds doc said that when she is 12, she has the right to make her own decision regarding vaccines.... example....Covid vax, etc. (This was before she turned 12 and before the go ahead for children was allowed for children that age to receive it). What blows my mind is that the day.... literally the exact day.... She turned 12, she was removed from the patient portal and my access to her records was denied. They told me I’d have to bring her in to have a consent form signed by HER, so that I’m allowed to see her medical records. As her parents, who clearly pay for her medical insurance, co-pays, scripts, tests, etc., why are we not privy to her medical information? They clearly can’t go after her for an unpaid bill, but they will come after us for it.... If I get a bill in the mail, that I clearly did not know about or consent to, I’m going to question it. Where are the days of letting children enjoy their childhood and let the parents make the adult decisions?
I’m saying I don’t know about NY but in my state needs parental consent til 18 for shots.
I’m writing from a parent’s point of view. I just feel 12 is too young to make decisions like that. As a doctor, how do you feel about that?
I'm pretty sure a minor can't bind themselves or anyone else to a payment, so I would damn sure contest *any* bill you didn't consent to.
That's probably why the law mentions that insurance would pay. (A minor can't bind an insurance company either, but the companies may be happy to cover it as part of a better deal for them.)
Love it that it is now her "former" doctor.
Yes, former. She was too pushy with her comments and questioned me as to why I refused a certain vaccine for my daughter. Very condescending and very firm on why I was incorrect. I’m not anti-vaccine. I am, however, anti vaccine when it comes time to a certain vaccine that I know nothing about, there is no adequate data supporting that this will not harm her later in life and when it was created in about 3 minutes. 🤔 I’m sure you know where I’m going with this. I have 3 children....1 is out of college, 1 is in college and 1 is in 7th grade. This isn’t my first rodeo. To try and force someone to take something ( when allowed for her age) and then give me attitude when I politely decline, then have the audacity to question ME as to why.... sorry. I’ll gladly find someone else. We did and absolutely love her doctor now.
This is crazy. You need to get out of there. Can you?
I wish. My middle is still college and my youngest is in 7th grade. Plus, my husband’s job is here. I’d have my house packed in 4 hours if my husband said we’re moving!
Homeschool and zero contact with health care providers, counselors, advisors, and therapists.
Chris, Be aware that in NYC minors can currently consent to abortions, birth control, etc. without any referral to parents -- in fact, by law one must work hard to make sure parents do not find out. So, like in California, it is only a minor "push" to legitimize this. Without strong and loud opposition, it has an easy path to approval. So if people care, they should write/call their legislators (who won't give a damn, but gotta do what you can do).
https://twitter.com/scott_wiener/status/1484560885364396036
I fucking hate these people.
Right. But how else are we going to sterilize them, or keep them in the medical intervention money pipeline?
The family needs to be destroyed for totalitarian control to be implemented.
Divide and conquer needs to be updated to Deracinate, Atomize, and Rule over.
Yep. This is what this is all about.
Transfer of wealth from private citizens to pharmaceutical and health care corporations.
Kid wants a procedure, parents can't pay, kid has a right to the procedure as per the law, state takes taxmoney to pay private capitalist corporation for procedure.
Wow, much different from communism, eh?
Yup, all "homeless minor" means is "we don't ask about parents".
"Homeless" child, wink wink.
It's obviously never a home, it's housing.
Read RFK Jr.'s great book The Real Anthony Fauci for the details on what Fauci and his principal investigators did to sheltered New York children back in the day--they tested deadly AIDs drugs on them, putting tubes into the stomachs of those that refused to take the meds orally.
experimenting on orphans. It happened then and it's happening now.
Sickening!
A related item: On Monday the Supreme Court denied a bid to have it review an appeals court ruling on whether a state government can regulate what a therapist tells people who have gender dysphoria. If you go to https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/121123zor_e29g.pdf and see pages 14 through 19, you'll get two opinions from dissenting justices who wanted to hear the case.
Saw this in the news. Surprised the conservative judges went along. How is this legal for the government to stick its nose into the counseling room with a kid. Why is it anyone else's business what they talk about? So-called "conversion therapy?" So what if the minor brings it up and wants to change or needs help processing? Are they forbidden to talk about it? According to these laws, Yes, they are forbidden. It is all so ridiculous. What if my kid was straight and wanted to be gay because it was the "in" thing but just wasn't attracted that way? So he can't talk to a counselor because that would be conversion therapy too.
Vote Democrats out ASAP. And if that is not soon enough communicate loudly and endlessly and in unison to them.
Sadly, I don't see that happening in New York. Another great state lost to ideological madness.
In this age of the normalization of voter fraud, do you understand why a Democrat parent would be on board with their children making adult decisions? I, personally, do not understand how this is acceptable to anyone.
You are assuming progressives use reason and logic. They don’t. Progressivism is a religion.
Or perhaps a particularly loathsome mental illness?
Trump made mean tweets!
I can’t agree with you more!!! It’s really a shame because there are absolutely gorgeous areas here. A lot to see and do. (Like the Baseball Hall of Fame.... which we still have that picture from us as kids!) There is something here for everyone; fishing, wineries, theater, landmarks, beaches, skiing, etc. It’s really sad how this state is.
I don’t think we can vote our way out of this.
Agree - as so very many posts in these 'stacks have pointed out.
Of the five sponsors of this hideous bill, 4 have something in common. It's important to identify it, study it, and see how it operates. Not everyone shares the same fundamental assumptions about human nature, human rights, and the Moral Law. "By their fruits ye shall know them."
Let me guess: They're all very very nice?
I'll go look them up.
Please do report.
I read the bill and, yeah, I think it’s exactly what Chris is suggesting, unfortunately.
I note that it replaces “physician” with “health professional” for who is empowered to deem the minor’s consent sufficient. Not that the medical profession has covered itself with glory recently in this respect (or some others), but the change looks like it would throw things open to a lot of “therapists” and the like with very particular agendas.
Good catch! That's a huge screaming loop-hole right there.
We have a real problem with that over nowadays, since patients from the psychiatric side of the health care-system are allowed to "shop around" until they find the "therapist" they like.
(Therapist isn't a protected titel requiring a license; psychologist and psychiatrist are.)
So when they find someone who "confirms" them, the last thing a psychotic person needs, the threapist then writes a recommendation to the psychiatrist re: what medication the patient would consider using.
Guess what dope-heads with the usual mental problems from drug-use demand?
Benzo, anything with benzo in it. Anything morphine-based. Any kind of opiate.
And never any kind of therapy not including drugs.
Cha-ching goes the register at the therapist's office when the taxfunded system pays the private contractor. Same with the private pharmacy and the private pharmaceutical company.
And the cost is covered by the tax-payers.
I sent this to my friend whose older child started kindergarten in NYC in September.
She sent me the K-5 health curriculum, and one of the lessons for kindergarten is “Finding My Trusted Adult.” I advised her to look out for that.
Mein Gott! How many youngster will commit suicide because of Chris Bray! Monster!
At least a trillion!
"She said she didn't have parents! What am I supposed to do, check? Hand her over to child services? I mean, come on!"
The Day Tapes: the target is the children
💯
while sending notes to parents, spare a thought for those homeless minors, too. Children in the foster care system are massively, disproportionately identifying as "trans" gender fluid and the rest of it these days. "Advocates" will tell you this is because their families have rejected them and society has left them in the street. Your lying eyes will tell you it is because in institutional systems that do not have enough love and resources for the most vulnerable children, a whole creepy movement is promising them love and care and community and, often enough, additional financial resources for what must seem to these kids in the context of their lives the low, low, low price of identifying as "trans" or at least "nonbinary".
It's the story of Hansel and Gretel for the 21st century.
In the same generation that Canada has beat its collective breast and declared mea culpa, mea cupla, mea maxima culpa about residential schools, they are steering Indigenous children toward sterilization -- once again, in the name of "enlightened social values":
"More than 40 per cent of young people in Edmonton who are experiencing homelessness are part of the 2SLGBTQ+ community, according to Homeward Trust, an organization dedicated to ending homelessness in the city.
“The issue is that 40 per cent of resources don’t go to them,” says Evan Westfal, program manager at the U of A’s Fyrefly Institute for Gender and Sexual Diversity. “A lot of youth we see have fallen through the cracks.”
Fyrefly is working to fill that gap through the Community, Health, Empowerment and Wellness (CHEW) Project, with help from collaborators like the United Way.
CHEW staff help support young people through difficult situations including homelessness, food insecurity and lack of access to mental health support and other resources. The United Way supports CHEW programs such as the Family Resilience Project, which offers free counselling to queer and trans youth. This year, that program has provided more than 90 hours of counselling to more than 20 individuals. Almost all the funding was provided through the United Way.
Through creating pathways for youth to succeed, the CHEW project has become more than just a place to go.
“To me, CHEW means family,” says Dominika, a CHEW Project participant. “An inspirational family that everyone should have. It’s a loving, caring place you can call home, with different people from different walks of life and backgrounds coming together making a big family. And it’s a safe place and that makes it even better.”
In addition to the work being done through the CHEW Project, the Fyrefly Institute hosts other programming including educational outreach and conferences, Indigenous-based programming and summer camps. In the last year, the institute has reached more than 7,000 people, including more than 2,600 teachers and others who work with young people. "