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Chris Bray's avatar

I feel like the paragraph waving away all the systems complexity and ordering USDA to just get it done right away because I say so is going to be tacked to the wall of every IT department in the country as an example of managerial thinking, like a Dilbert cartoon.

Rather Curmudgeonly's avatar

The good judge has refuted the argument of Hamilton in Federalist #78...

"The judiciary, on the contrary, has no influence over either the sword or the purse; no direction either of the strength or of the wealth of the society; and can take no active resolution whatever. It may truly be said to have neither FORCE nor WILL, but merely judgment; and must ultimately depend upon the aid of the executive arm even for the efficacy of its judgments."

Yuri Bezmenov's avatar

Ma! The meatloaf! We are no longer a nation of laws, we are now a nation of feels.

Hugh Wayne Black's avatar

That reference is so perfect that I don’t think it can be topped! Will Ferrell was wearing a robe, too! You just won the internet!! πŸŽ‰πŸ₯³πŸ‘πŸŽŠπŸ™ŒπŸ»

Victoria Chandler's avatar

As a former IT worker, I had that thought as well. Part of why I left when I did was too many β€˜credentialed’ management people demanding the dumbest things and expecting them to be in production by the end of that business day.

SomeDude's avatar

I dropped a CIS degree program because of totally irrelevant /business class/ requirements.

I fix, program, reconfigure, set up, and tear down tech. I have zero interest in the "why" of the business side requesting any of these functions. just like they typically have zero interest in the "how."

As a dedicated technician, I see no point in angering and alienating the machine-savvy help by forcing them to participate in the human travesty known as "business decisions."

Alan's avatar

The judge is ordering the Trump Administration to break the law and loot the U.S. Treasury. Will this clown show ever end? I keep peering into the abyss, waiting for that tiny puff of dust when Wile E. Coyote finally hits the ground.

Mark In Houston's avatar

Scott Adams would no doubt agree, Chris!

okboomer's avatar

IT systems no longer function because generations never learned grammar and they keep trying to write if/than statements that won't compile.

OldSysEng's avatar

If/then/else, Do/while, Do/until, ... Thanks for the memories!

Occam's avatar
Nov 7Edited

Wow, the left might be right that the country is veering relentlessly towards totalitarianism.

Although it looks like the ruler is the US judiciary.

It's like Canada, except instead of rubberstamping Liberal government policies, they automatically vote against whatever the administration does.

sumitra's avatar

Yes,it seems even the President is waving away all the systems complexity and ordering the medical industry to just get it done right away because I say so for his guy Adams.

Essay33's avatar

Hardly an apples to apples comparison.

sumitra's avatar

You might be right---The judge's order was a lawful exercise of judicial authority to ensure a federal program operated according to existing law, while Trump's "override" in the Scott Adams case was (ab)use of political influence to bypass a private company's administration--

Essay33's avatar

You can argue that Adams asking for help from the administration to get a medical provider to actually provide in a timely fashion something it had authorized is an abuse. Nobody should ask powerful friends to help expedite anything. You can also argue that a judge deciding to issue a fiat in defiance of existing regulations is fine because he feels the government is there to actively feed the population. The government is our dad and we are infants needing its provision for our daily sustenance. That you endorse that but decry an attempt to get help from an individual trying to live a little longer before dying from cancer, well, that says a lot about you, doesn't it.

sumitra's avatar

" You can also argue that a judge deciding to issue a fiat in defiance of existing regulations..." In our current system, judges have the authority to interpret federal statutes, and in this case, judges found that the USDA's interpretation of the law was incorrect based on the congressional appropriation for the SNAP contingency fund, which was made available through September 2026. The judge(s) also cited 7 CFR 271.7 and the Agricultural Adjustment Act Amendment of 1935, Section 32 funds. Where one could argue a President telling a private company to change their administrative policy is pretty much the definition of a "fiat" or decree/edict from on high. And as to your statement that I "decry an attempt to get help from an individual trying to live a little longer before dying from cancer" that is not what this discussion is about. This discussion is about the US power structure and how the federal system operates under its three branches.

Hugh Wayne Black's avatar

Biden pardoned his corrupt, drug addled son, for being his bagman, possessing a firearm as a felon, and illegally disposing of it, as well as shaking down Ukraine for a director position on a corrupt, government sanctioned, oil company, I could continue on, but I won’t.

Then, you’re complaining about cartoonist, Scott Adams, asking for help with his insurance company in getting an experimental treatment for his stage 4 cancer?

This judge needs to get off his ass and tell his Senators to get off their dead asses and vote for a continuing budget resolution.

linda e's avatar

hmmm congress seems to be unaware of this as well as the executive branch, since they all thought congress needed to fund the program.

linda e's avatar

uhmmm no, elected officials' inboxes are probably pretty full. Constituents ask for help with things like that all the time. Reminded me of when I had the misfortune of working for ATT...you don't like what customer service and managers are telling you, call and ask for the Office of the President (of ATT). At least then, there was staff to make sure those problems got resolved at a higher level than the normal procedures and policies allowed.

sumitra's avatar

The U.S. President does not have the legal authority to direct a private company to provide specific medical services or change administrative decisions for an individual.Β 

The standard process for individuals with disputes regarding private health plans involves formal, multi-step procedures designed to resolve complaints through specific regulatory channels.Β The President's role in healthcare is generally limited to broad policy and regulatory oversight of federal agencies, not individual case management.

Hugh Wayne Black's avatar

But apparently they do have the power over social media companies to influence them in what they allow what communications are permissible on their platforms. πŸ™„

DE's avatar

β€œJust sprinkle some AI code here.”

Austin's avatar

Why doesn’t the federal judge just reverse hunger, poverty, and illness while he’s at it?

Chris Bray's avatar

I ORDER IT TO BE SO

Korpijarvi's avatar

Hey, you just appeared on my toast.

What's going on!!??!!

Maureen Hanf's avatar

Reinforces my idea that we have found where all the kings are hiding, in plain sight. 0.o.

Obviously, they are annoyed at having to wait so long for a vacancy in the Trinity, in order that we may correctly acknowledge their omniscience /omnipotence.

Gen Chang's avatar

Sorry, but you don't have a magic wand! Maybe you can borrow one from the judge, or ask Obumer for his rusty one.

Chris Bray's avatar

I put on a bathrobe to issue my order, so I feel like I was in the ballpark

Gen Chang's avatar

Well, in that case, I think you're covered πŸ€£πŸ˜‚πŸ€£ at least I hope so πŸ˜‰

CorkyAgain's avatar

He said bathrobe, not hospital robe.

Freedom Fox's avatar

If only Trump was a president who spoke softly and carried a big stick instead of the inverse. Heck, I'd even settle for speaking loudly and carrying a big stick. Sadly this president bluffs and blusters and carries a twig.

But I would take that judge up on a partial compliance step: defund the courts to pay for some of the benefits programs. Specifically targeting the courts of the anti-Constitutional jurists. Since they care so much about hungry mouths how about they go without income, personally? Caring is sharing, right?

How about a "Defund the Courts" movement? Without police power - the executive's - their orders are detritus.

SomeDude's avatar

did you forget the fancy wig? without the full display of the Trappings of Power your diktat may be ignored

okboomer's avatar

I canna change the laws of physics captain.

Dan Jones's avatar

If judges like McConnell could be suited in red shirts there would be an immediate improvement in the federation.

Michael L's avatar

As an Officer of Equal Indignity of E Clampus Vitus, I take umbrage at that remark!

Mitch's avatar

Not that much different than "I legislate it to be so" really.

Pat Robinson's avatar

At least one is a legal power

Occam's avatar

Kinda sounds like one of those French kings back in the heyday.

Korpijarvi's avatar

And don't forget interceding with The Cosmic Powers for total manumission from/absolution of all sin!

Just pay your tax indulgences to the IRS and Mama Government--with her Diana-of-Ephesus manyboobs--will take care of everything!

the long warred's avatar

He will, if his family gets paid, if his franchise NGOs etc got paid,

la chevalerie vit's avatar

What?! and not fix climate change too?!

Gunther Heinz's avatar

Ha! Because hunger, poverty and illness have all the best Philadelphia lawyers!

linda e's avatar

why doesn't the judge just order congress to get back in session and fund SNAP? maybe he could make them stay in session until they create a reasonable budget, too.

CTW's avatar

They’re making the Trump Administration jump through hoops. There is already such a shortage of DOJ lawyers that the Assistant AG for Civil Rights is calling for lawyers to apply via her X account, so every minute that judges can force the few lawyers they have to challenge, defend, appeal, etc, the less time those lawyers have to do the work the people who elected Trump want those lawyers to do. This is coordinated and intentional. The process is the punishment.

Tricia's avatar

If the judge can issue orders to the President, which, in reality, he can’t, why doesn’t he just order Congress to reopen the government and turn the money taps back on? We all know the answer.

hoppah's avatar

Why doesn't the judge just order the people to not be hungry?

Chris Bray's avatar

This is very wise

Andy G's avatar

Because there is no government spending in that, no authoritarian power for leftists to hunger for, and use to buy votes.

Maureen Hanf's avatar

Was just going to say, that wouldn't allow them to spend money...

Art's avatar

The administration could redirect funds appropriated for federal judicial salaries to pay for SNAP. Wouldn’t that be awesome!

cat's avatar

Reminds me of how California (and I think, BO and/or Biden administration?) dictated that cars must achieve x/mpg by the year 20__. No need to get bogged down by the details -- just remember a leftist can dictate future reality just by mandating it. Fall in line now, for leftist is KING.

Sue Kelley's avatar

Where's the no Kings protest??

Lemme guess.,. Waiting for their snap funds

Chris Bray's avatar

STOP ACTING LIKE A KI– hold on, I've just been handed a new memo

RU's avatar

More lawfare. Using judges to run cover for (D) Congress critters. SCOTUS needs to deal with the activist judges or the judiciary is going to lose whatever credibility it still has. How many of our institutions can lose the trust of the people before the system implodes? Or maybe that's the point?

Fredo's avatar

A slam dunk overturn. The judiciary is in complete disarray. SCOTUS needs to rein these clowns in.

JTURNER's avatar

Literally telling the executive branch to break federal law! Which would be an impeachable offense.

Bandit's avatar

Maybe that's the idea. πŸ€”

N. Owen Spechul's avatar

Is anyone going to point out the obvious? We don't have a Republic. Whatever we are governed by today,it is simply wearing The Republic as a skin suit. This isn't going to get fixed. Prepare accordingly.

Chris Bray's avatar

Sure looking that way.

Occam's avatar

Great analogy.

The deeper we dig, the more rot we see. The US judiciary completely ignoring the standards of law (including SC justices promoting feels over actual legal theory) is existentially terrifying.

AndyinBC's avatar

Given the apparent omnipotence a black robe appears to engender in the judiciary, might I offer this humble proposal.

Why not eliminate those pesky legislative and executive branches, with their thousands of employees, and replace them with a couple of judges. Much less expensive!

the long warred's avatar

That had already happened, much to the profit of the judges.

Trump is disturbing a business.

AndyinBC's avatar

Trump is disturbing a lot of businesses!

It's probably a case of too little, too late, but he has done more to begin dismantling the kleptocracy than any politician since Ike.

Maureen Hanf's avatar

Agree. The trouble as I see it is Trump is fighting them every step of the way because the bureaucracy itself is finely tuned for all democratic demands. Which will be waiting to spring back to life the minute he leaves unless he can get more uprooting done.

Bandit's avatar

πŸ™Œ

Congress needs to write laws to pass, so the dumbocraps can't just ignore his executive orders when his term is over.

AndyinBC's avatar

Are you suggesting that the esteemed members of congress actually get off their collective asses and do some useful work?

Work that might interfere with the flow of pork?

Wishful thinking, Lass.

Bandit's avatar

Yeah, I know. 😞

Michael L's avatar

And, like in the British dystopian comic Judge Dredd, make them the police and executioners? "I AM THE LAW!"

Gary Edwards's avatar

I have a different take: what stops Trump from twisting this ruling to pay what is critical, like the military, FBI, justice etc. He'd get to choose.

Do you think any judge is going to rule against paying a federal employee for working their assigned shift??

Maureen Hanf's avatar

Somehow I feel sure they would find a way to twist it up.

Gary Edwards's avatar

Naah, you miss the point, the judge would be ruling against Trump, thus giving Trump power ... https://chrisbray.substack.com/p/juristocracy-dissolves-congress-the/comment/174643966

Bandit's avatar

Yes, I think a dumbocrap judge would.

Gary Edwards's avatar

Hmmm, the case would be against Trump essentially initiated by Trump, so the judge would rule against Trump to allow Trump to choose who to pay.

Get it?

Admittedly it requires a little tact and misdirection, but if you keep the group doing this tight, doable.

For instance a legal firm would approach the government employee union suggesting the suit. To pull that off, yhe circle of trust could be cut down to two, Trump and the lawyer...

Andrea's avatar

The judge now considers himself Jesus, King of Lords? I’m sorry… Last week it was β€œNo Kings,” this week, it’s whatever the h*ll they say it is.

I’m so confused.

Gunther Heinz's avatar

You know the old expression: On the bench, a King. In the bedroom, a Queen.

Michael L's avatar

I actually hadn't heard that before, so thank you!

Gunther Heinz's avatar

ItΒ΄s only a matter of time before they make a bust of J. Edgar Hoover with a bust.

Maureen Hanf's avatar

It's kinda simple; they'll decide when and how he gets to use his kingly powers... 0.o

philip begley's avatar

No kings, they chant. Well, here comes one unelected king to command all, including the other two branches of government all all of his subjects.

But you must admit the legislative branch is not doing their job no matter who you blame for starting this pissing match.

Beezy Steder's avatar

I don’t understand why these rogue activist judges aren’t dealt with once and for all. If this is permitted it will only embolden them.

Occam's avatar

100%

Yet this administration continues to post tweets and talk, when they've got less than a year to get substantial changes made or the midterms will be lost.

Stu Block's avatar

So let it be written.

So let it be done!