We’re entering a new phase of the Great Orange Delegitimization project, a scorched earth leftist assault on the possibility of normal policy disagreement or societal balance.
I am "lucky" enough to be represented by one of the "Seditious Six", Chris Deluzio (D) PA. I am so angry about this that I am rendered helpless, unable to call his office or write a letter for fear of what I might say. My husband, who I label as more conservative than myself, isn't particularly bothered by this stunt, thinking I'm making a big deal about not much. My alma mater flashed the lineup photos of the Seditious Six on the Cathedral of Learning labeling them heroes. My husband attended a different university.
My grad school alma mater (both degree programs) did not even acknowledge in 2016/2017 that, for the first time in that esteemed institution's long history, one of its alumni was elected and inaugurated President of the United States.
Not a word from the university president. Not a word in the alumni magazine. Not even in the back pages where alumni deeds and milestones are noted by class year.
Same thing in 2024/2025.
And if you go to the University's Wikipedia page today, you will see mentioned all the dozens of noteworthy leaders who were alumni back to 1755...except that Orange One.
This level of pettiness bespeaks an egregiously ill-bred culture in that "elite" institution.
I informed Alumni Giving that the legacy plans they had on file for me were changed for this reason. I did not receive a reply.
It won't matter--it's a pittance in this world, and relative to their endowment ($25 B last year).
My alma mater does have various giving structures where, for example, $2,500 a year gets you something something something and "membership" in something something--Ben Franklin's Minyan or something. I considered it for the opportunity to maybe show up at special events in Seattle...and speak my mind before being thrown out, or be told that a Stihl cap and Husqy chainsaw chaps aren't appropriate attire. (I believe in appropriate attire, but ill-bred Ivy League universities don't get to come to my neck of the fjord and assert what that is after declaring the duly elected President of the United States unmutual and an unperson.)
But then I looked at the numbers.
They say that those particular giving structures raise $100m total for the university per annum. Sounds like a lot.
In 2025 the university raked in 12.5% on its 2024 endowment of about $22 B. $2.64 B. Pretty good take. In the economy helmed by the orange unmutual unperson alumnus whose name we do not speak.
Imagine how much actual Free Speech $2,500 would buy. 1/1,056,000th of one year's market take, one ten-millionth of the endowment value.
So it's more like a psychological price point where the donor feels extra special and more likely to support whatever hogswallop pours out of the ivy covered gargoyles.
It feels sad to be robbed of the possibility of respecting one's alma mater, and anticipating some day "paying it forward" to students of younger generations. Gotta be creative in finding new ways. But it also feels like just another loss.
The University of Pennsylvania is enemy territory, totally beholden to the little hats and the bolshies (but I repeat myself). Ben Franklin weeps. Ben tried to speak reasonably to the British masters, but eventually he had a craw full of their condescension and scorn, and did something about it. Yes, he was an old goat, but he was our goat.
I know the feeling; I am an alumnus of Haverford College, and cringe when I receive their alumni magazine. I go my own way, as purportedly was the aspirational ideal for the men (still unisex when I attended, but no more, no surprise there, another scalp for the feminazis), but that has been superseded. No more respect for that, and this from a school with Quaker roots, Quakers having been individuals who risked all to be true to their inner sense. Their was a song by George Thorogood, in which a man down on his luck asks of his friend if he could crash with him, to which friend replies that his wife is kinda funny (so no). To this the supplicant responds, “I know, now you funny, too”. The old school tie sometimes look like a noose
Susan, I’m unlucky enough to have Elyssa Slutkin (misspelling intended) as a senator and CIA operative (D) MI. She was a lying, dripping, bag of excrement as representative for my district, and even worse as senator.
Make no mistake, she was behind this whole Seditious Six thing. She learned as an operative how to foment a color revolution and I suspect fancies herself as the next Victoria Nuland. I hope she gets punished to the fullest extent possible, or at a minimum removed from office. She has the nerve to cry about this administration’s abuse of power after she pulls this shit. Boo F’ing Hoo!!
I turned off the sound. For a good ten seconds she just blinks. Rapidly and blankly.
Then she kinda switches ON (Robbie Parker came to mind), the practiced-before-the-mirror bright/perky expressions come out, she talks while shaking her head "no" the entire time, keeps looking down and to her left, then ends with a spasm of a quasi-smile and a little nod.
Watched it a second time, and the hair on my neck stood up.
Writing this, the hair on my forearms is doing so.
I feel like Hansen Robotics' "Sophia" is deliberately made to look more mechanical than it could so people don't realize they're being ruled by electric figurehead puppets
Have to keep the implications about illegality vague enough that the average military enlistee has no idea what order any future "Nuremberg Tribunal" might hold them liable for obeying.
Unbelievably, I live in a conservative beach town in a conservative area of overall conservative Florida, and some local big-thinker lecture series has scheduled village idiot Carville to speak in January, followed by urban idiot Bill Kristol the following month. Carville back in the day said about B. J. Clinton's sexual depredations, "Drag a hundred dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what you'll find." What you'll find today is snakehead James Carville, the liberal friend of liberal women everywhere.
You need to put scare quotes around “conservative”, as the bog standard “conservative” never, in reality, conserves anything. Being socially acceptable is ever so much more important, don’t you know.
Further to the point is this quote from Robert Dabney, a Presbyterian minister and theologian, which addresses a topic of the day, women suffrage, and then launches upon a jeremiad on the falsity of “conservatism” which is still relevant today, more than a century later.
It seems he’s trying everything. A while back he was blathering that Democrats platformed too many scoldy women. Now he wants the military to overthrow the government. He is grasping for relevancy. As if the Democrats could get angrier, more aggressive and more dangerous and unhinged.
The FAFO game has serious and completely unintended consequences. I would have believed that BOTH sides would realize it after Charlie Kirk's assassination and Schumer's Stupid Shutdown.
But NO! Let's double down! It won't end well at all.
It's all they can do. David Betz, the expert on modern civil war who has been making the rounds on the podcast circuit says "polar factionalism" (us vs them) is far more dangerous than "issue factionalism" (let's find the best solution to an issue).
For as long as I can remember, the left (Democrats) have been converting the latter into the former. "They think they own your body" in the abortion debate, for example... It's not representing any concerns (even secular concerns) accurately. Instead it's about identifying the bad people.
It's always been about the bad people. The good people win when all the bad people are gone. So, no, it won't end well.
Asked in his old age to explain the causes of the Spanish Civil War, General Franco's brother-in-law and former Foreign Minister Ramon Serrano Suner replied : " We simply couldn't stand each other".
I think you know. Left, Right; Liberal, Conservative; etc. Stupidity in the form of a deliberately created propaganda event or an offhanded remark that the speaker knows will be inflammatory regarding an overheated issue.
I have no idea what you are talking about . Give specific examples since Kirk Assassination and shut-down (🤷🏼♂️) of a “deliberately created propaganda event” to add flames to ??? what ??? from the right.
Zorost and New Considerest—since you two jumped in the middle of this conversation and obviously have not read the entire thread, scroll to the top and see Tom from WYN’s original post. I’ll wait.
OK—since Tom from WYN can’t produce any examples of what he claimed, that politicians ON THE RIGHT have staged deliberate propaganda events designed to inflame the left post-Kirk assassination or post-shutdown, maybe you two can.
BTW—I don’t care that you jumped into the conversation, but implying I am a liberal is fightin’ words.
I’ll bet you five dollars a prohibition could be drafted that would survive strict scrutiny. The compelling national interest component sure is easy to prove just based on healthcare costs alone. The original commenter bringing a pharma ad ban up in this context really illustrates how powerful it would be.
I agree, after all pharma ads were banned before Clinton and there are things banned from advertising today. If Marlboro can't put ads everywhere you look on every form of media, then why can't they also sue and win?
You’re right, but it would take a few months with no government bail out and many of these companies would be done. Especially the cable nets that aren’t brining in real money and are feeding off the broadcast money.
Plus, Trump is now Pfarma's best friend. TrumpRX for your lizard peptide weight-loss injection! (Tell your doctor right away if it paralyzes your stomach.)
We should take them seriously, for at least two reasons:
1) They have consistently shown the ability to fail forward, perhaps because their audience has no standards or ability to think. It doesn't matter how many times they "get owned" or publicly embarrass themselves when they are speaking emotionally to goldfish-brains. In any sane world their incompetence would have doomed them long ago, and yet they have prospered.
2) They are merciless when they see an opening. If they are redoubling their attacks now it's because they smell blood.
For decades I've seen how stupid democrat tactics seem to be, and I've heard so many people laugh and point at them. Then somehow the democrats win anyway, and keep winning.
Yup. These are very dim people and they follow whoever or whatever their corporate media tells them to follow. No questions or exploration of any other narrative needed.
They have also devised the tactic of simply shutting down any debate when they are confronted with a fact or historical reference point they can’t accept by talking over you or simply stomping out of the building. They always have the what-abouts and blame-the-orange-guy excuse at the ready.
And if they smell blood it’s because of all the vile little goblins who felt it was necessary to publicly celebrate the assassination of Charlie Kirk. The lefties saw them getting away with that at no kings virtue signal events and thought 'wow, this is our moment.'
they've been handling that problem in one form or another since the 1930s, history is ignored, failure is blamed on not enough resources and the opposition.
They do not consume a variety of news sources, just the few approved Super-Dem sites, CBS, ABC, MSNBC (or whatever), nothing that doesn’t confirm their partisan politics. They also push out the approved memes every morning. No original thought, just approved memes. So no, thinking and questioning are not in their agenda.
Oh, the irony of a career CIA "analyst" telling the military to refuse illegal orders is just too much. It's hard to imagine any point in the past several decades where our CIA wasn't off in some far away place engaged in myriad unspeakable things, none of which were even close to being "legal."
As for Carville, any post that even mentions that wannabe "Marine" preemptively loses its credibility...just sayin'
The “irony” you mentioned can also be described as rank hypocrisy. Wasn’t it just a few years ago that numerous military personal were discharged (fired) from service because they disobeyed an unconstitutional order (from Democrat Biden) to take an experimental “vaccine”? SMH
The thing is, with an AOC presidency (don't underestimate her or overestimate the voter, she has a good chance of achieving that office)... with an AOC presidency, I can see her trying to implement all of this and the US slowly becoming Venezuela.
Suggested edit: "I can see her trying to implement all of this and the US rapidly becoming Venezuela" could read, "I can see her trying to implement all of this and the US rapidly becoming Venezuela".
Democrats are trapped and they know it. They refuse to admit Trump is popular, right, and has common sense and the law on his side. Instead they are listening to their activist left, a.k.a. the gay race communists. They seem to expect some sort of revolt against Trump so we can go back to endless immigration, transing kids, race quotas, and being nice to violent criminals.
Meanwhile, Kash and company are gathering the evidence needed to put many of them behind bars. Hence the DNC hysteria.
This is one of the weaknesses of the Democrat’s position. Their base wants “action,” but every obnoxious or criminal act by Antifa, trans, Muslims, lone nuts, or other leftist types reflects badly on them and pushes centrists and normies to MAGA. They’re running the leftist regime change playbook (“Agitate the masses") but most Americans aren’t buying it, and won’t.
Indeed, which is one reason why Trump is doing a lot of careful planning. He knows there’s no benefit in letting them off the hook. They’d continue to hate him and MAGA no matter how much mercy he shows. What they did to him after Biden’s “victory” proves that. He knows he’s got one chance to get it right. Given his ego, desire for a legacy, and love of the audacious, I really think he’s going to go “all the way.”
That doesn’t mean Hitler 2.0, just straight law enforcement against some famous and powerful people who committed real crimes. The US Code is so vast that he won’t need to gin up any fake lawfare b.s. Between DOGE and federal surveillance powers, he can get all the evidence he needs regarding Obama's illegal surveillance, the Russiagate hoax, the 2020 steal, J6, ActBlue money-laundering, mortgage fraud, USAID, Seth Rich, the Clinton Foundation, insider trading, Medicare fraud, and all the rest. I don’t think Trump will be timid with this arsenal. Judges trying to roadblock will be overruled or bypassed, and exposed as partisan hacks.
Yes, that means everyone up to and including Hillary and Obama. No, that doesn’t mean arresting them tomorrow, or that they will get prison time. It does mean that within the next three years, so many scandals will have been exposed, and so many underlings indicted, that their *best* outcome is permanent national-level disgrace. More likely it will mean popular cries of “Why aren’t they arrested yet??”
He’ll have put himself in another win/win situation. He could then heed the popular will and arrest them. Or, he could be magnanimous in vindication and victory and settle for confessions.
(I know this may seem like Qanon Plan Trusting, but to me it’s logical. If I can figure out how Trump can use Sun Tzu to win, then he can, too. And if Trump and I can figure this out, I’ll bet the DNC has, too.)
Trump made his career with big real estate deals. Those involve juggling banks, regulators, unions, and tenants for years before there’s a big payoff later. I realize that his public persona makes him look reactive and thoughtless, but that’s just Sun Tzu deception.
But I can't think of a better time to try. The longer we wait, the more time passes, is that much closer to him being out of office and they will be very happy to ratchet up the power along the way.
Do you honestly believe we're going to see accountability for any of these people? What is your basis for that belief? Go back to the SORO pyramid and think about their long game. With our open society, freedom of speech, expression and association guarantees, they can operate freely in media space. Between the MSM, left-wing NGO-plex and color revolutionary congresscritters, the likelihood of anything moving in a positive direction without some sort of calamitous "reset" is, to my mind, vanishingly small.
The MSM has been fatally weakened. The NGO-plex has been exposed and their federal money is drying up. The vibe has shifted. Many of the tools of leftism (accusations of racism, sexism, transphobia, etc.) have lost their power. Plus, Trump has the motive, means, and opportunity to become a national hero by defeating those forces and creating a political legacy. How could anyone with an ego like his miss that opportunity?
Happy Thanksgiving to you, too, Brian! And the same to ALL of you good people here. Hoping to avoid vitriol this week so no insane Blue Sky or similar people are allowed to enter my brain. :)
Here's a question: Is anyone who matters listening to James Carville anymore?
The old guard he represents seems to be circling round the Toilet Basin of Dearh (even literally). As such, some of these public issuance sound more like the screams of drowning swimmers who lost sight of the coastline, and caught sight of fins piercing the waves.
Meanwhile, I have spoken to people who seem to be recognizing (at long last) a paradigm shift, and are adjusting their expectations accordingly.
I thought we were entering the paradigm shift, but I was disheartened by the outcome of this year's elections. Jay Jones! Not to mention Mamdani and the Prop 50 margin in California. They're getting crazier and more successful.
These are confined effects in (mostly) hostile territory. Mamdani basically ran unopposed, and the only potential spoiler was the mobbed up mass murderer Andrew Cuomo. Knowing how the NYC machine works, they could’ve even stolen it for Mamdani (although on this case, they probably didn't have to).
Anyway, us sane New Yorkers are accustomed to Rule-by-Batman-Villain at this point (and particularly during the past 20 years). It's a hothouse of criminal conspiracy. I wouldn’t use us as a bellweather for the republic.
Oh, I don't find it surprising or disheartening when blue idiot voters elect blue idiot candidates -- and in California, they vote to disenfranchise 40 percent of the electorate. Common sense is still in the ascendancy. Look at the increase in military recruiting and re-enlistments as a bellwhether. If that changes, then I'll start worrying.
A) GOPe likes them that way. The bigger and more lurid they are, the more pointing and huffing and bodice-heaving the RINOs can do...without ever doing anything else.
Managed decline.
B) What, you didn't believe them when they said that they hate American society, heritage Americans, etc., and have been quadrupling-down on crazy in all their positions?
demon (n.)
c. 1200, "an evil spirit, malignant supernatural being, an incubus, a devil," ...from PIE *dai-mon- "divider, provider" (of fortunes or destinies), from root *da- "to divide."
*dā-, Proto-Indo-European root meaning "to divide."
It forms all or part of demagogue, demiurge, ordeal, geodesy, zeitgeist, democracy, demography, pandemonium, pandemic, epidemic.
The free money dynamic is certain to drive the country off the cliff. Both mathematics and history are relentless judges here. Professionals and insiders are already gaming the dollar crash, the necessary debt jubilee, and the replacement currency. The only thing uncertain, at the moment, is the timing.
And, given that the vast majority of US wealth lies in private hands -- in 401ks, IRA's, retirement funds, other securities, real estate, and cash-- there should be no doubt who will pay, and who will get paid, when the dollar falls.
Just like FDR's gold grab, or the 2008 Meltdown. There will be no questioning by the elites when it is clear that extreme measures have to be made in order to keep the elites the elites. Nothing will be off the table. Hell, we already have facilitated suicide of high cost citizens in Canada to try to keep their system afloat.
It drives me crazy when I hear “we are the richest country in the world,” meaning, of course, we can afford to give away all of this free stuff. It’s never stated where this money comes from. It’s not from the government. It’s from the people. The taxed people. The government is just the conduit.
Tell me again why believing the Democrats are using the Cloward-Piven Strategy is a conspiracy theory?
Democrats aim to create a crisis in the welfare system by encouraging a large number of people to apply for welfare benefits. Their goal is to overload the system, leading to its collapse and the establishment of a guaranteed minimum income...among other things.
“Other things” include Central Bank Digital Currency. At that point, the Surveillance State, the All-seeing Eye of Sauron, is closing in on its apotheosis. A few more bells and whistles, and they are there.
These are the same people who wanted to put people in prison camps for not taking an untested vaccine.
Why should I trust them?
I'm just a 56 year old Gen Xer, but I know that there's no such thing as free.
Somebody had to make it, somebody had to sell it.
Giving away free stuff creates a slave race, and like all slave masters, one day the masters will line up the slaves and shoot them in the back.
I miss the days when congress worked for the betterment of the country, not for which side was in power.
Are we doomed to become slaves to yet another communist government that will kill millions of regular people while the party elites eat steak and potatoes?
This just pisses me off so much:
https://x.com/JenRuthGreen/status/1993739743226376445
I am "lucky" enough to be represented by one of the "Seditious Six", Chris Deluzio (D) PA. I am so angry about this that I am rendered helpless, unable to call his office or write a letter for fear of what I might say. My husband, who I label as more conservative than myself, isn't particularly bothered by this stunt, thinking I'm making a big deal about not much. My alma mater flashed the lineup photos of the Seditious Six on the Cathedral of Learning labeling them heroes. My husband attended a different university.
My spine melted a little, reading that, Susan.
My grad school alma mater (both degree programs) did not even acknowledge in 2016/2017 that, for the first time in that esteemed institution's long history, one of its alumni was elected and inaugurated President of the United States.
Not a word from the university president. Not a word in the alumni magazine. Not even in the back pages where alumni deeds and milestones are noted by class year.
Same thing in 2024/2025.
And if you go to the University's Wikipedia page today, you will see mentioned all the dozens of noteworthy leaders who were alumni back to 1755...except that Orange One.
This level of pettiness bespeaks an egregiously ill-bred culture in that "elite" institution.
I informed Alumni Giving that the legacy plans they had on file for me were changed for this reason. I did not receive a reply.
It won't matter--it's a pittance in this world, and relative to their endowment ($25 B last year).
My alma mater does have various giving structures where, for example, $2,500 a year gets you something something something and "membership" in something something--Ben Franklin's Minyan or something. I considered it for the opportunity to maybe show up at special events in Seattle...and speak my mind before being thrown out, or be told that a Stihl cap and Husqy chainsaw chaps aren't appropriate attire. (I believe in appropriate attire, but ill-bred Ivy League universities don't get to come to my neck of the fjord and assert what that is after declaring the duly elected President of the United States unmutual and an unperson.)
But then I looked at the numbers.
They say that those particular giving structures raise $100m total for the university per annum. Sounds like a lot.
In 2025 the university raked in 12.5% on its 2024 endowment of about $22 B. $2.64 B. Pretty good take. In the economy helmed by the orange unmutual unperson alumnus whose name we do not speak.
Imagine how much actual Free Speech $2,500 would buy. 1/1,056,000th of one year's market take, one ten-millionth of the endowment value.
So it's more like a psychological price point where the donor feels extra special and more likely to support whatever hogswallop pours out of the ivy covered gargoyles.
It feels sad to be robbed of the possibility of respecting one's alma mater, and anticipating some day "paying it forward" to students of younger generations. Gotta be creative in finding new ways. But it also feels like just another loss.
The University of Pennsylvania is enemy territory, totally beholden to the little hats and the bolshies (but I repeat myself). Ben Franklin weeps. Ben tried to speak reasonably to the British masters, but eventually he had a craw full of their condescension and scorn, and did something about it. Yes, he was an old goat, but he was our goat.
I know the feeling; I am an alumnus of Haverford College, and cringe when I receive their alumni magazine. I go my own way, as purportedly was the aspirational ideal for the men (still unisex when I attended, but no more, no surprise there, another scalp for the feminazis), but that has been superseded. No more respect for that, and this from a school with Quaker roots, Quakers having been individuals who risked all to be true to their inner sense. Their was a song by George Thorogood, in which a man down on his luck asks of his friend if he could crash with him, to which friend replies that his wife is kinda funny (so no). To this the supplicant responds, “I know, now you funny, too”. The old school tie sometimes look like a noose
Susan, I’m unlucky enough to have Elyssa Slutkin (misspelling intended) as a senator and CIA operative (D) MI. She was a lying, dripping, bag of excrement as representative for my district, and even worse as senator.
Make no mistake, she was behind this whole Seditious Six thing. She learned as an operative how to foment a color revolution and I suspect fancies herself as the next Victoria Nuland. I hope she gets punished to the fullest extent possible, or at a minimum removed from office. She has the nerve to cry about this administration’s abuse of power after she pulls this shit. Boo F’ing Hoo!!
All six of them should be arrested. They should at minimum be censured.
Wow. Outrageous. I sympathize.
Susan G, call!!!!
Show him the SORO pyramid and ask him to think about it.
I turned off the sound. For a good ten seconds she just blinks. Rapidly and blankly.
Then she kinda switches ON (Robbie Parker came to mind), the practiced-before-the-mirror bright/perky expressions come out, she talks while shaking her head "no" the entire time, keeps looking down and to her left, then ends with a spasm of a quasi-smile and a little nod.
Watched it a second time, and the hair on my neck stood up.
Writing this, the hair on my forearms is doing so.
Click whirrrrr (recites programmed line) whirrrr click
She's a thing that receives training at making noises.
She reminds me of Kamala Harris with the head bobbing.
I feel like Hansen Robotics' "Sophia" is deliberately made to look more mechanical than it could so people don't realize they're being ruled by electric figurehead puppets
Don’t forget her husband was the one who peddled the lie that Trump Tower had a server communicating with a Russian bank.
What a delusional moron who happens to be an ‘elected official’! 🙄😬
The phrase "useful idiot" springs immediately to mind.
Part of her job is saying that the law says??? I thought that her job was to pass laws. Creating this utter confusion seems to be deliberate.
At this point, maybe it's better to hope it all goes to hell and we get down to the business of seeing who's actually going to run this country.
It's probably time to forget civility - you want fascism, here ya go.
Good lord with these charlatans.
She sounds as stupid as she looks.
Have to keep the implications about illegality vague enough that the average military enlistee has no idea what order any future "Nuremberg Tribunal" might hold them liable for obeying.
Reminds me of what cartoon character? Petunia Pig? Or Popeye - "I yam what I yam"?
Carville is a little demented bridge troll who is enraged that no one listens to him anymore.
Unbelievably, I live in a conservative beach town in a conservative area of overall conservative Florida, and some local big-thinker lecture series has scheduled village idiot Carville to speak in January, followed by urban idiot Bill Kristol the following month. Carville back in the day said about B. J. Clinton's sexual depredations, "Drag a hundred dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what you'll find." What you'll find today is snakehead James Carville, the liberal friend of liberal women everywhere.
You need to put scare quotes around “conservative”, as the bog standard “conservative” never, in reality, conserves anything. Being socially acceptable is ever so much more important, don’t you know.
Further to the point is this quote from Robert Dabney, a Presbyterian minister and theologian, which addresses a topic of the day, women suffrage, and then launches upon a jeremiad on the falsity of “conservatism” which is still relevant today, more than a century later.
https://counter-currents.com/2012/11/robert-lewis-dabney-on-conservatism/
Ain't nothing Cajun about that bitter, nasty little man.
I was going to comment similarly.
Carville was a big deal 20 some years ago...
Does anyone care what he has to say?
It seems he’s trying everything. A while back he was blathering that Democrats platformed too many scoldy women. Now he wants the military to overthrow the government. He is grasping for relevancy. As if the Democrats could get angrier, more aggressive and more dangerous and unhinged.
You said better...
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The FAFO game has serious and completely unintended consequences. I would have believed that BOTH sides would realize it after Charlie Kirk's assassination and Schumer's Stupid Shutdown.
But NO! Let's double down! It won't end well at all.
It's all they can do. David Betz, the expert on modern civil war who has been making the rounds on the podcast circuit says "polar factionalism" (us vs them) is far more dangerous than "issue factionalism" (let's find the best solution to an issue).
For as long as I can remember, the left (Democrats) have been converting the latter into the former. "They think they own your body" in the abortion debate, for example... It's not representing any concerns (even secular concerns) accurately. Instead it's about identifying the bad people.
It's always been about the bad people. The good people win when all the bad people are gone. So, no, it won't end well.
Welcome to the Spanish Civil War!
Asked in his old age to explain the causes of the Spanish Civil War, General Franco's brother-in-law and former Foreign Minister Ramon Serrano Suner replied : " We simply couldn't stand each other".
Absolutely.
Let's ignore theories like gravity, conservation of momentum, etc., and just create our own out of thin air because of feelz.
It's flabbergasting that these people actually are taken seriously with this claptrap.
What “both sides” are you talking about?
I think you know. Left, Right; Liberal, Conservative; etc. Stupidity in the form of a deliberately created propaganda event or an offhanded remark that the speaker knows will be inflammatory regarding an overheated issue.
I have no idea what you are talking about . Give specific examples since Kirk Assassination and shut-down (🤷🏼♂️) of a “deliberately created propaganda event” to add flames to ??? what ??? from the right.
Great example of how liberals pretend to be ignorant of even the most basic of things, to cover up the fact that they have no fact-based arguments.
"Sides? In politics? What? Politicians inflaming events for gain? Who? HuH? I've never heard of such things!"
Deny, deflect. That's about all they know.
Zorost and New Considerest—since you two jumped in the middle of this conversation and obviously have not read the entire thread, scroll to the top and see Tom from WYN’s original post. I’ll wait.
OK—since Tom from WYN can’t produce any examples of what he claimed, that politicians ON THE RIGHT have staged deliberate propaganda events designed to inflame the left post-Kirk assassination or post-shutdown, maybe you two can.
BTW—I don’t care that you jumped into the conversation, but implying I am a liberal is fightin’ words.
Trump should sign an executive order and pull the pharmaceutical ads and send these shit networks to the dustbin of broadcasting.
They'd sue and win, but you're right about the poison source.
I’ll bet you five dollars a prohibition could be drafted that would survive strict scrutiny. The compelling national interest component sure is easy to prove just based on healthcare costs alone. The original commenter bringing a pharma ad ban up in this context really illustrates how powerful it would be.
I agree, after all pharma ads were banned before Clinton and there are things banned from advertising today. If Marlboro can't put ads everywhere you look on every form of media, then why can't they also sue and win?
You’re right, but it would take a few months with no government bail out and many of these companies would be done. Especially the cable nets that aren’t brining in real money and are feeding off the broadcast money.
Plus, Trump is now Pfarma's best friend. TrumpRX for your lizard peptide weight-loss injection! (Tell your doctor right away if it paralyzes your stomach.)
Ugh, I wouldn't touch that venom if I was 600 pounds.
We should take them seriously, for at least two reasons:
1) They have consistently shown the ability to fail forward, perhaps because their audience has no standards or ability to think. It doesn't matter how many times they "get owned" or publicly embarrass themselves when they are speaking emotionally to goldfish-brains. In any sane world their incompetence would have doomed them long ago, and yet they have prospered.
2) They are merciless when they see an opening. If they are redoubling their attacks now it's because they smell blood.
Great point.
For decades I've seen how stupid democrat tactics seem to be, and I've heard so many people laugh and point at them. Then somehow the democrats win anyway, and keep winning.
That's the most infuriating aspect of the thing.
That they spew absolute garbage, things that are clearly untrue, but still flourish and fail upwards.
I'm not sure we deserve America anymore.
Yup. These are very dim people and they follow whoever or whatever their corporate media tells them to follow. No questions or exploration of any other narrative needed.
They have also devised the tactic of simply shutting down any debate when they are confronted with a fact or historical reference point they can’t accept by talking over you or simply stomping out of the building. They always have the what-abouts and blame-the-orange-guy excuse at the ready.
And if they smell blood it’s because of all the vile little goblins who felt it was necessary to publicly celebrate the assassination of Charlie Kirk. The lefties saw them getting away with that at no kings virtue signal events and thought 'wow, this is our moment.'
"They are merciless when they see an opening..."
The opening they see is the success of Mamdani's free-stuff promises and Social Justice ranting
The interesting question is: "What will they do when Mamdani can't deliver on his promises?"
they've been handling that problem in one form or another since the 1930s, history is ignored, failure is blamed on not enough resources and the opposition.
Easy: blame White people, Trump, and Republicans.
Rinse and repeat.
Failure is their pride, their business model, and their brand. Losers of the world unite!
They do not consume a variety of news sources, just the few approved Super-Dem sites, CBS, ABC, MSNBC (or whatever), nothing that doesn’t confirm their partisan politics. They also push out the approved memes every morning. No original thought, just approved memes. So no, thinking and questioning are not in their agenda.
Oh, the irony of a career CIA "analyst" telling the military to refuse illegal orders is just too much. It's hard to imagine any point in the past several decades where our CIA wasn't off in some far away place engaged in myriad unspeakable things, none of which were even close to being "legal."
As for Carville, any post that even mentions that wannabe "Marine" preemptively loses its credibility...just sayin'
The “irony” you mentioned can also be described as rank hypocrisy. Wasn’t it just a few years ago that numerous military personal were discharged (fired) from service because they disobeyed an unconstitutional order (from Democrat Biden) to take an experimental “vaccine”? SMH
The “subversive six”disgust me.
"Oh, the irony of a career CIA analyst telling the military..."
Maybe not ironic. Maybe business as usual, but now in the US
Democrats just shot 2 soldiers in DC. So yes they’re accelerating.
Although shooting soldiers isn’t the way to our hearts.
Critical condition not dead
Yes thanks.
Democratic Party or the soldiers?
Update- new report says critical condition. Not dead.!
She passed, RIP
I don't think they're particularly interested in "our hearts".
Has this been clarified? The WV Governor was told these brave men were dead.
Apparently critical. The other news is when they were shot an unarmed guardsman stabbed the attacker with a pocketknife.
Yes he did, but then the report came critical condition, not dead.
I don’t know
Oh surprise. Seditious6 Fatwa against Trump followed by shooting Troops, surprise. Not.
🕵🏼♀️👀
https://www.newsweek.com/national-guard-shooting-suspect-rahmanullah-lakanwal-worked-with-cia-director-says-11118420
The thing is, with an AOC presidency (don't underestimate her or overestimate the voter, she has a good chance of achieving that office)... with an AOC presidency, I can see her trying to implement all of this and the US slowly becoming Venezuela.
Suggested edit: "I can see her trying to implement all of this and the US rapidly becoming Venezuela" could read, "I can see her trying to implement all of this and the US rapidly becoming Venezuela".
Yes, you're definitely right.
I was about to reply "Slowly?"...
Democrats are trapped and they know it. They refuse to admit Trump is popular, right, and has common sense and the law on his side. Instead they are listening to their activist left, a.k.a. the gay race communists. They seem to expect some sort of revolt against Trump so we can go back to endless immigration, transing kids, race quotas, and being nice to violent criminals.
Meanwhile, Kash and company are gathering the evidence needed to put many of them behind bars. Hence the DNC hysteria.
Heavy lift to put any of them behind bars, with judicial obstruction all along the path.
That will come down to SCOTUS though. The attack in DC today may well be influential in ways not intended.
This is one of the weaknesses of the Democrat’s position. Their base wants “action,” but every obnoxious or criminal act by Antifa, trans, Muslims, lone nuts, or other leftist types reflects badly on them and pushes centrists and normies to MAGA. They’re running the leftist regime change playbook (“Agitate the masses") but most Americans aren’t buying it, and won’t.
I hope not
Indeed, which is one reason why Trump is doing a lot of careful planning. He knows there’s no benefit in letting them off the hook. They’d continue to hate him and MAGA no matter how much mercy he shows. What they did to him after Biden’s “victory” proves that. He knows he’s got one chance to get it right. Given his ego, desire for a legacy, and love of the audacious, I really think he’s going to go “all the way.”
That doesn’t mean Hitler 2.0, just straight law enforcement against some famous and powerful people who committed real crimes. The US Code is so vast that he won’t need to gin up any fake lawfare b.s. Between DOGE and federal surveillance powers, he can get all the evidence he needs regarding Obama's illegal surveillance, the Russiagate hoax, the 2020 steal, J6, ActBlue money-laundering, mortgage fraud, USAID, Seth Rich, the Clinton Foundation, insider trading, Medicare fraud, and all the rest. I don’t think Trump will be timid with this arsenal. Judges trying to roadblock will be overruled or bypassed, and exposed as partisan hacks.
Yes, that means everyone up to and including Hillary and Obama. No, that doesn’t mean arresting them tomorrow, or that they will get prison time. It does mean that within the next three years, so many scandals will have been exposed, and so many underlings indicted, that their *best* outcome is permanent national-level disgrace. More likely it will mean popular cries of “Why aren’t they arrested yet??”
He’ll have put himself in another win/win situation. He could then heed the popular will and arrest them. Or, he could be magnanimous in vindication and victory and settle for confessions.
(I know this may seem like Qanon Plan Trusting, but to me it’s logical. If I can figure out how Trump can use Sun Tzu to win, then he can, too. And if Trump and I can figure this out, I’ll bet the DNC has, too.)
Do you really think DJT is doing "careful planning"? What evidence do you have for that claim?
Trump made his career with big real estate deals. Those involve juggling banks, regulators, unions, and tenants for years before there’s a big payoff later. I realize that his public persona makes him look reactive and thoughtless, but that’s just Sun Tzu deception.
Oh. Okay. I hope you're right. I will anxiously wait for the arrests to start. I'm sure Pam Bondi is on the case.
If my theory is correct, we’ll see important actions before the midterms.
But I can't think of a better time to try. The longer we wait, the more time passes, is that much closer to him being out of office and they will be very happy to ratchet up the power along the way.
"They seem to expect some sort of revolt against Trump..."
Well, their propaganda is getting a lot of well-funded boosting from oligarch cut-outs and CCP cut-outs.
Sunlight and the end of USAID greatly weakened their powers.
Do you honestly believe we're going to see accountability for any of these people? What is your basis for that belief? Go back to the SORO pyramid and think about their long game. With our open society, freedom of speech, expression and association guarantees, they can operate freely in media space. Between the MSM, left-wing NGO-plex and color revolutionary congresscritters, the likelihood of anything moving in a positive direction without some sort of calamitous "reset" is, to my mind, vanishingly small.
I intend to plan accordingly.
The MSM has been fatally weakened. The NGO-plex has been exposed and their federal money is drying up. The vibe has shifted. Many of the tools of leftism (accusations of racism, sexism, transphobia, etc.) have lost their power. Plus, Trump has the motive, means, and opportunity to become a national hero by defeating those forces and creating a political legacy. How could anyone with an ego like his miss that opportunity?
Hope springs eternal!!
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.
The suicidal tendencies of these lefties may get everyone hurt.
I cannot imagine how vitriolic the threads must be over on blue sky. Scary.
bsn
Happy Thanksgiving to you, too, Brian! And the same to ALL of you good people here. Hoping to avoid vitriol this week so no insane Blue Sky or similar people are allowed to enter my brain. :)
Buy guns and ammo. If you have guns and ammo, buy more. Have too much guns and ammo? No, you don’t.
Carville continues proving that he’s well past his sell by date. Angrier? What a dummy. I hope they follow him right off the cliff.
Here's a question: Is anyone who matters listening to James Carville anymore?
The old guard he represents seems to be circling round the Toilet Basin of Dearh (even literally). As such, some of these public issuance sound more like the screams of drowning swimmers who lost sight of the coastline, and caught sight of fins piercing the waves.
Meanwhile, I have spoken to people who seem to be recognizing (at long last) a paradigm shift, and are adjusting their expectations accordingly.
I thought we were entering the paradigm shift, but I was disheartened by the outcome of this year's elections. Jay Jones! Not to mention Mamdani and the Prop 50 margin in California. They're getting crazier and more successful.
These are confined effects in (mostly) hostile territory. Mamdani basically ran unopposed, and the only potential spoiler was the mobbed up mass murderer Andrew Cuomo. Knowing how the NYC machine works, they could’ve even stolen it for Mamdani (although on this case, they probably didn't have to).
Anyway, us sane New Yorkers are accustomed to Rule-by-Batman-Villain at this point (and particularly during the past 20 years). It's a hothouse of criminal conspiracy. I wouldn’t use us as a bellweather for the republic.
Don't underestimate mass formation psychosis.
Oh, I don't find it surprising or disheartening when blue idiot voters elect blue idiot candidates -- and in California, they vote to disenfranchise 40 percent of the electorate. Common sense is still in the ascendancy. Look at the increase in military recruiting and re-enlistments as a bellwhether. If that changes, then I'll start worrying.
> They're getting crazier and more successful.
A) GOPe likes them that way. The bigger and more lurid they are, the more pointing and huffing and bodice-heaving the RINOs can do...without ever doing anything else.
Managed decline.
B) What, you didn't believe them when they said that they hate American society, heritage Americans, etc., and have been quadrupling-down on crazy in all their positions?
demon (n.)
c. 1200, "an evil spirit, malignant supernatural being, an incubus, a devil," ...from PIE *dai-mon- "divider, provider" (of fortunes or destinies), from root *da- "to divide."
*dā-, Proto-Indo-European root meaning "to divide."
It forms all or part of demagogue, demiurge, ordeal, geodesy, zeitgeist, democracy, demography, pandemonium, pandemic, epidemic.
Mamdani wasn't a big surprise, crazy NYC elects crazy mayor. But Jay Jones was a real black pill for me.
I tune in for ghe comedic effect. But seriously I think his dementia is showing. Get off my lawn!!!! is his strategy.
The free money dynamic is certain to drive the country off the cliff. Both mathematics and history are relentless judges here. Professionals and insiders are already gaming the dollar crash, the necessary debt jubilee, and the replacement currency. The only thing uncertain, at the moment, is the timing.
And, given that the vast majority of US wealth lies in private hands -- in 401ks, IRA's, retirement funds, other securities, real estate, and cash-- there should be no doubt who will pay, and who will get paid, when the dollar falls.
Just like FDR's gold grab, or the 2008 Meltdown. There will be no questioning by the elites when it is clear that extreme measures have to be made in order to keep the elites the elites. Nothing will be off the table. Hell, we already have facilitated suicide of high cost citizens in Canada to try to keep their system afloat.
It drives me crazy when I hear “we are the richest country in the world,” meaning, of course, we can afford to give away all of this free stuff. It’s never stated where this money comes from. It’s not from the government. It’s from the people. The taxed people. The government is just the conduit.
Tell me again why believing the Democrats are using the Cloward-Piven Strategy is a conspiracy theory?
Democrats aim to create a crisis in the welfare system by encouraging a large number of people to apply for welfare benefits. Their goal is to overload the system, leading to its collapse and the establishment of a guaranteed minimum income...among other things.
“Other things” include Central Bank Digital Currency. At that point, the Surveillance State, the All-seeing Eye of Sauron, is closing in on its apotheosis. A few more bells and whistles, and they are there.
These are the same people who wanted to put people in prison camps for not taking an untested vaccine.
Why should I trust them?
I'm just a 56 year old Gen Xer, but I know that there's no such thing as free.
Somebody had to make it, somebody had to sell it.
Giving away free stuff creates a slave race, and like all slave masters, one day the masters will line up the slaves and shoot them in the back.
I miss the days when congress worked for the betterment of the country, not for which side was in power.
Are we doomed to become slaves to yet another communist government that will kill millions of regular people while the party elites eat steak and potatoes?